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        • Back on Track

          Ignoring Tiger Claw's rhetoric, but addressing the issue brought up - BJJ has the monopoly on empty-handed ground fighting and solid takedowns. The only arts that are comparable in that range are judo, freestyle/greco, sambo, shuaijiao and variations thereof that spend their time grappling.

          No Suprise.

          Combat-oriented gong fu is hard to find, but exists - but there is alot of Mc-dojoism. You just have to get connected to the right instructor, but their community is tightly-knit and tight-lipped, which is why you don't see the most effective gong-fu fighters/instructors competing - they're instructing security professionals.

          Is it too deadly for the ring? Not at the sport-level. Look up some old-school san da videos, its on par with full-contact karate, with takedowns. Modern san da is muaythai with takedowns.

          Jiu-jitsu is too deadly for the ring too. Keep in mind Judo was created so that grapplers could do so and return to the mat for more practice without injuries - I'll leave this for Tanto to elaborate.

          Martial artists might downplay other styles, its just a force of habit once you dedicate yourself to one style but the more you get around, you see that other styles have a lot to offer.

          PS - sorry I haven't been posting. Been training alot.

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          • evidence of chinese grappling

            Chinese Qin Na or Brazilian Jiu Jitsu | Art of War? Fighting Championship ::: MMA China

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            • There has never been a question that Chinese grappling arts existed. The question was did any of them address the ground to the level of JJ, BJJ or Judo? That picture really doesn't prove much I hate to say. Although it shows two Chinese men doing some grappling, it doesn't prove what they're doing is actually Chinese grappling. You had people in China that where learning Japanese arts like karate and JJ back then also. The pics look a lot like Japanese techniques, to me...

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              • Originally posted by jmd161 View Post
                There has never been a question that Chinese grappling arts existed. The question was did any of them address the ground to the level of JJ, BJJ or Judo? That picture really doesn't prove much I hate to say. Although it shows two Chinese men doing some grappling, it doesn't prove what they're doing is actually Chinese grappling. You had people in China that where learning Japanese arts like karate and JJ back then also. The pics look a lot like Japanese techniques, to me...

                jeff
                or the japanese techniques look like chinese techniques, which is the point of the article.

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                • Originally posted by benneil View Post
                  or the japanese techniques look like chinese techniques, which is the point of the article.

                  I really doubt that those techniques are Chinese techniques to be honest. Chinese arts just didn't address the ground like that. The Chinese ground game mostly consisted of sweeps, throws, trips etc.. Any technique done from the ground was done to bring your opponent crashing down, with you hustling back to your feet, not staying down on the ground with them.

                  I'm the biggest fan of Chinese martial arts there is, but even I have to call BS when stuff is Misrepresented.


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