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    I've noticed in many of these threads there is a lot of hypothetical assumptions on the abilities or intentions of thieves, muggers, junkies, and other assorted low-lifes. Most of it is wrong. I guess it's mostly because much of the "experience" of self-defence instructors is based on what they see on television or movies, or what they learned from other martial artists.

    One of the most tired assumption is "most street kids can't fight", and how they "will most inevitably throw a haymaker". Well you had better hope so, because if the lil' banger decides to loosen you up with a jab into a flurry of straight head shots, looks like all you got from krotty lessons is a set of comfy PJs.

    Maybe I can help. I was once a thug. A petty thief. Gang member. Drug dealer. But just so we're clear on this, that was in the past, and I've payed my debt to society. So you can use this opportunity to learn, or you can waste it by tsk-tsking and finger-wagging.

    If you have any questions, feel free to ask.

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    Originally posted by Tokyo Kid View Post
    I've noticed in many of these threads there is a lot of hypothetical assumptions on the abilities or intentions of thieves, muggers, junkies, and other assorted low-lifes. Most of it is wrong. I guess it's mostly because much of the "experience" of self-defence instructors is based on what they see on television or movies, or what they learned from other martial artists.

    One of the most tired assumption is "most street kids can't fight", and how they "will most inevitably throw a haymaker". Well you had better hope so, because if the lil' banger decides to loosen you up with a jab into a flurry of straight head shots, looks like all you got from krotty lessons is a set of comfy PJs.

    Maybe I can help. I was once a thug. A petty thief. Gang member. Drug dealer. But just so we're clear on this, that was in the past, and I've payed my debt to society. So you can use this opportunity to learn, or you can waste it by tsk-tsking and finger-wagging.

    If you have any questions, feel free to ask.
    can you point out some examples?

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    • #3
      examples of misconceptions? well, I've never seen anyone train against the proper way to mug someone. Maybe because the proper way to mug someone is much like Mr. Miyagis crane kick: can no defend. Hell, even if you could, trying to stop a mugger is a ridiculous risk anyway, so why waste time? If someone says "stick em up" and places a gun to your belly (which doesn't happen), do what he says. After all, he's the professional here. Myself, I was never a mugger anyway, to much risk.

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      • #4
        You're making straw men here to pick for an argument that you can win. Show me a thread that talks about the proper way to mug someone. . . .

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        • #5
          Oh, you mean examples of threads with misconceptions. You can disregard that then, it's more of my own experience in threads on martial arts forums in general, and techniques taught in martial arts classes.
          I don't think a thread exists that shows the proper way to mug someone, but that's my point. The fact that you shouldn't try to resist a mugger I'm sure has been addressed.
          I'm not trying to pick arguements, I'm here to answer questions. I doubt my own mistakes count as a "win" in any case.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Tokyo Kid View Post
            because if the lil' banger decides to loosen you up with a jab into a flurry of straight head shots, looks like all you got from krotty lessons is a set of comfy PJs.

            Yeah, if some greasy scumbag slides out of the shadows puts a gun to the back of your head then giving up the wallet or whatever sure seems the wise move, but as for some little street scrub trying to throw a jab and some head shots, then someone with training, conditioning, and real experience is where I'd put my money (which is ONE reason why street scum usually don't have the balls to do shit unless they are armed or with a pack of their fellow losers). The real problem is not how 'skilled' the average filthy street dirt is but how lacking in real experience the average belt-collector really is.

            p.s. using 'cute' terms like "krotty" and "PJs" just makes you sound like more of an idiot.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by jubaji View Post
              Yeah, if some greasy scumbag slides out of the shadows puts a gun to the back of your head then giving up the wallet or whatever sure seems the wise move, but as for some little street scrub trying to throw a jab and some head shots, then someone with training, conditioning, and real experience is where I'd put my money (which is ONE reason why street scum usually don't have the balls to do shit unless they are armed or with a pack of their fellow losers). The real problem is not how 'skilled' the average filthy street dirt is but how lacking in real experience the average belt-collector really is.
              You're absoultely right IMO. The problem is, experience is what criminals seek and good people generally avoid.

              p.s. using 'cute' terms like "krotty" and "PJs" just makes you sound like more of an idiot.
              wow, dude, why are you trying to hurt my feelings?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Tokyo Kid View Post
                The problem is, experience is what criminals seek
                Oh, I always thought it was money for the most part. See I'm learning something already. . . . .

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Tokyo Kid View Post
                  wow, dude, why are you trying to hurt my feelings?
                  .....................

                  So you can improve.

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                  • #10
                    If you're a Fighter, and you train self defense, you don't care what someone else brings. Haymaker, straight punches, dosent matter. You know what you have to do, you've trained for this for a long time. Never under estimate your opponent, and if you decide to engage in battle, never doubt yourself, pick your target and destroy it. Know that you more than likely will be hit back, a cool head prevails. If your training was sufficient, you win. But remember, lots of kids that never trained in a dojo can kick some serious tail. Just hope that the one that targeted you can't.You just never know until you accept the challenge. No matter what your ability, if you can walk away, then thats the best option. If you have to fight, then fight hard. All the hypothetical threads are just that, meant to spark up a conversation. " The real problem is not how 'skilled' the average filthy street dirt is but how lacking in real experience the average belt-collector really is. " Great reply Jubaji.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by mellow View Post
                      Oh, I always thought it was money for the most part. See I'm learning something already. . . . .
                      Experience brings reputation. It's like most occupations, the more experienced you are, the better you are. The better you are, the more money you make. For the most part, it is money. But it's only part of it.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by shaolin-warrior View Post
                        If you're a Fighter, and you train self defense, you don't care what someone else brings. Haymaker, straight punches, dosent matter. You know what you have to do, you've trained for this for a long time. Never under estimate your opponent, and if you decide to engage in battle, never doubt yourself, pick your target and destroy it. Know that you more than likely will be hit back, a cool head prevails. If your training was sufficient, you win. But remember, lots of kids that never trained in a dojo can kick some serious tail. Just hope that the one that targeted you can't.You just never know until you accept the challenge. No matter what your ability, if you can walk away, then thats the best option. If you have to fight, then fight hard. All the hypothetical threads are just that, meant to spark up a conversation. " The real problem is not how 'skilled' the average filthy street dirt is but how lacking in real experience the average belt-collector really is. " Great reply Jubaji.
                        this isn't a question at all.

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                        • #13
                          I certainly idea agree that its a myth that the average thug does not know how to fight. When I first starting martial arts I was at Uni and a friend was a bit of a brawler. He had no martial arts lessons but had been fighting on the streets since he was about 12 (good old fashioned fighting in the UK, no weapons). A lot of the "tricks" he learned and used from actual fighting experience are taught in martial arts though. Stuff like closing down an opponent, grabs and pinches (he called them nips). He was a big guy and was genuinely an experienced fighter, more so than most martial artists.

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                          • #14
                            I had several friends who used to deal drugs. Never did it myself though. I suppose I have another view on risk vs reward.
                            I want to applaud you for coming here and giving us the opportunity to ask you questions. It's a good thing of you to be honest about your past. Too bad I don't really have any questions. Although I've had my ass handed to me by thugs in the past I'm not scared of it happening again.. I have great confidence in my physical ability. Maybe I'll try to make this a question though; I'm easily scared by mental posturing, people mouthing off to me getting in my face. I wonder what to say to an asshole before it's "acceptable" to punch him in the face. I reckon a thug should have a million answers to this one..

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                            • #15
                              I'm not sure if the Tokyo Kid is still active these days but I've found it easier to punch someone in the face before they have a chance to "posture" up... It can get you in trouble with the law but it's always better if you take the first shot...

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