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    First a little about myself, then I'll get the question. I am a student at a vocational school taking the law enforcement program. I am involved in an organization through that school called SkillsUSA. SkillsUSA is a professional development organization that holds a competition every year for for schools that choose to participate. In that competition, you can chose to do several specific competitions including Criminal Justice and Jobs Skills Demonstration (the two I am taking). For the CJ comp, I know I am doing a Terry stop and am preparing for that with my instructor. For the Job Skills Demo comp, I have to demonstrate a skills from the program I take (law enforcement). I am planning on showing takedowns/throws that lead to handcuffing positions. To help with my goal of joining the Air Force, I enrolled in a jiu-jitsu class the beginning of December, so I have been exposed to some moves.

    So the question is, are there any specific takedowns/throws I should incorporate into my presentation and are there ones I should not? Video links are appreciated.

    PS
    My instructor is a police officer with many years of experience (the number escapes me) and will work with me to put together this program. Do not post moves that will likely result in injury or death. Any suggestions will be tried out in the classroom and during jiu-jitsu classes.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Alted4 View Post
    First a little about myself, then I'll get the question. I am a student at a vocational school taking the law enforcement program. I am involved in an organization through that school called SkillsUSA. SkillsUSA is a professional development organization that holds a competition every year for for schools that choose to participate. In that competition, you can chose to do several specific competitions including Criminal Justice and Jobs Skills Demonstration (the two I am taking). For the CJ comp, I know I am doing a Terry stop and am preparing for that with my instructor. For the Job Skills Demo comp, I have to demonstrate a skills from the program I take (law enforcement). I am planning on showing takedowns/throws that lead to handcuffing positions. To help with my goal of joining the Air Force, I enrolled in a jiu-jitsu class the beginning of December, so I have been exposed to some moves.

    So the question is, are there any specific takedowns/throws I should incorporate into my presentation and are there ones I should not? Video links are appreciated.

    PS
    My instructor is a police officer with many years of experience (the number escapes me) and will work with me to put together this program. Do not post moves that will likely result in injury or death. Any suggestions will be tried out in the classroom and during jiu-jitsu classes.
    Two questions first

    1. What style of Jiu-Jitsu you are taking

    2. What kind of stop you doing, ped or traffic

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    • #3
      I have not been told exactly what type of jiu-jitsu it is. The class I am taking is titled "MMA", but 90% of what we do it jiu-jitsu with some kickboxing and takedowns.

      Usually it is a pedestrian stop, I have not seen a traffic stop done in the competition. But that's not what I need help on, its the Job Skills Demo comp.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Alted4 View Post
        I have not been told exactly what type of jiu-jitsu it is. The class I am taking is titled "MMA", but 90% of what we do it jiu-jitsu with some kickboxing and takedowns.

        Usually it is a pedestrian stop, I have not seen a traffic stop done in the competition. But that's not what I need help on, its the Job Skills Demo comp.
        Well the type of take down depends on what type of incident you are going to come up with. Is the suspect going to turn on you while doing a pat down search or are you going to find a gun on him while doing a search but he is complying with your orders? Give me an idea on what type of scenario you come up with and I can tell the best type of take down.

        By the way I am a former cop and former Defensive Tactics instructor for my prior agency. I am also a 1st degree black belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. So I think I can help you in some way

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        • #5
          Currently I am not thinking of doing a specific scenario. Basically, just saying "Should an officer need to take a resistant suspect to the ground, some simple, common techniques are..." and then demonstrate a few. I am planning on actually doing the techniques on a partner at the same time, slowly. My current train of thought is that the suspect is not fighting, but not complying. Say, he's just walking away from you, but he needs to be arrested.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Alted4 View Post
            I have not been told exactly what type of jiu-jitsu it is. The class I am taking is titled "MMA", but 90% of what we do it jiu-jitsu with some kickboxing and takedowns.

            Usually it is a pedestrian stop, I have not seen a traffic stop done in the competition. But that's not what I need help on, its the Job Skills Demo comp.

            The SPELLING is a dead giveaway. Say "Brazilian" LOL what you do is not really jujutsu at all but old school judo newaza.

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            • #7
              Wish some folks would follow up and tell us if his JIU-JITSU helped at all in a real world demonstration of "SKILLS"???

              The "trick" to laying an opponent on his face as opposed to his back for instance? Not found in Jiu-jitsu? Imagine that?

              LOL

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              • #8
                I have used BJJ in a lot of incidents while on the job. I never had to use the guard but I did use a lot of mount and rear mount positions. From the rear mount I used the Carotid Restraint (Choke) many times because it is a technique allowed by the department I used to work for. From the mount there is a technique you can use to get the suspect on their back. There are also some takedowns I teach when I do seminars for Leo’s that are easy to learn but effective for the streets.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by black knife View Post
                  I have used BJJ in a lot of incidents while on the job. I never had to use the guard but I did use a lot of mount and rear mount positions. From the rear mount I used the Carotid Restraint (Choke) many times because it is a technique allowed by the department I used to work for. From the mount there is a technique you can use to get the suspect on their back. There are also some takedowns I teach when I do seminars for Leo’s that are easy to learn but effective for the streets.
                  These are all good positions to take and holds to do as long as you have some one watching your back.

                  I prefer to if possible put my opponent on the ground with out being take too. There are many ways to drop an opponent without having to latch onto him.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by kingoftheforest View Post
                    These are all good positions to take and holds to do as long as you have some one watching your back.

                    I prefer to if possible put my opponent on the ground with out being take too. There are many ways to drop an opponent without having to latch onto him.
                    In law enforcement you have to limit the strikes or it could be percieved as excessive force by on lookers. Whether you are standing or on the ground you can be attacked from behind anytime. It is part of fighting that we can not always control and it is not always possible to have someone watching your back when engaged in a fight.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by kingoftheforest View Post

                      I prefer to if possible......

                      Originally posted by black knife View Post
                      In law enforcement you have to limit the strikes or it could be percieved as excessive force by on lookers.
                      I agree but there are ways of doing things with limited to no "striking"



                      Originally posted by black knife View Post
                      Whether you are standing or on the ground you can be attacked from behind anytime. It is part of fighting that we can not always control and it is not always possible to have someone watching your back when engaged in a fight.
                      I agree, but being an upright bi-pedal being I find it much easier to defend against multiple attacks while standing. I also prefer not to have both hands tied up on one target while another attack is possible. It's bad business practice.

                      If your business is staying alive.

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                      • #12
                        Knee jams and foot traps tend to lead folks earthward. Breaking things is optional...

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Tant01 View Post
                          Knee jams and foot traps tend to lead folks earthward. Breaking things is optional...
                          they also distract people from defending their heads.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by kingoftheforest View Post
                            These are all good positions to take and holds to do as long as you have some one watching your back.

                            I prefer to if possible put my opponent on the ground with out being take too. There are many ways to drop an opponent without having to latch onto him.
                            Nice 'theory' if dealing with someone with no skills or experience...

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by jubaji View Post
                              Nice 'theory' if dealing with someone with no skills or experience...
                              After all this time and you can't come up with anything new to say?

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