JKD, Mike Lee, Jesse Glover, and Ashtanga05 - Whats the Truth?

[ncgf]

Hello everyone,
Ashtanga sent a private message to me stating that he was disturbed that I did not finish posting his PMs to me on the previous JFJKD thread before it was locked. So, to acquiesce to his demands, I am posting his recent PM and my response. Ashtanga05, I hope this meets your requirements.


Ashatanga05,

Sorry it took me so long to respond, I went to my beachhouse for a couple of days (gotta rest my fat, bloated ass, you know…lol). Hope you will forgive me while I have my lunch but I wanted to respond to your message. I find them entertaining if not simplistic.

Now, take a deep cleansing breath. Let all your stress go. Find your mind chakra and relax….

Last time I respond to you - you f***** TURD!

Now is this the actual last time, or is it the next last time like your previous emails were each the last time?

Just the sort of response I expected from you, psuedo intellectual pretentious asswipe type.

Now, Ashtanga05, if you’re going to attempt to bust someone on their intelligence or lack thereof, shouldn’t you at least spell your words correctly. Its pseudo, not psuedo (e before the u). but I am sure you just never “learnt” that, eh?...lol.

If saying - keep redirecting, etc as you claim I'm doing makes you feel better , good for you. Youre a fat bloated pot bellied out of shape bum who hasn't trained in many a year.

That could be. But it still doesn’t change your rather obvious lack of proof, now does it? You still have yet to prove what you say. I suppose I could say I trained with Bruce Lee and Uyeshiba, and I have pictures and video of it. So, since I make that claim on the Internet, it must be true and you must except it…lol…nice logic (or lack thereof).

I have photos of myself with Mike, I have video of him training that you will not have, can tell you he would be deeply ashamed to have ever had a student like you.

Hey, we should trade sometime; I have pictures and video of me with Bigfoot, the Loch Ness monster, and, oh, yea, Elvis, too…lol.

Anyone can verify I trained with Mike Lee direct with Jesse Glover. Or please call Mike Lee direct you said you have a number to reach him - tell him 'South Cat' was asking after him, he will know exactly who I am & verify I trained with him.

So the onus is on you call Jesse , or better still call Mike, very easy to do.

And here I thought you had a direct line to Jesse? Didn’t you tell me you already contacted him? Why not just have him message me? Cmon, you two are buds, didn’t you tell me that? Must be my mistake..lol. And I still haven’t heard back from him, yet. You must really be special to him..lol.

Again the pretentious psuedo intellectual BS you spout , just the kind of stuff an out of shape bum with delusions of grandeur he is an academic would spout.

Well, at least you spelled pretentious correctly (guess you did “learnt” something..lol). And that would be Dr. pseudo-intellectual to you (notice the spelling on pseudo for future reference.).

Anyway, through with you, won't respond to anything further. You got aptly exposed as a fraud in the thread before it closed, funny too you put all my private messages in the public forum & commented on them EXCEPT for the one where I said you were a total fraud! Busted!

Well, I was on my way to, but it was already locked. But you know what, because you want it, I will post that PM from you so everyone can see how you busted me. Damn, it will serve me right…lol. Any other PMs you would like me to post? If you would like, I could post this PM from you as well as my response and let those in the forum make up their own minds. But since this was your last PM, I suppose that would all be moot.

Notice no comment on the challenge? Keyboard Warriors like yourself you gotta love em.

If you want me to come to where you are with photos of me with Mike, and we can even get him on 3 way call & he can verify I trained with him ; I'm more than willing to do so. After that we fight so I can prove physically what I can do - agreed?

Why not just scan them and post for all to see. Then everyone will know you speak the truth. Such a simple answer for a simple problem of a simple man.

As to fighting, well, I am a lover not a fighter anymore (at least that what I tell myself). I retired from fighting ten years ago after a 18 years of competing in Muay Thai and mma. Matter of fact, my last fight was on a MMA card in L.A. ten years ago this month. I really have no interest in fighting anymore. Wouldn’t you rather match intellect and wits here..oh, wait, that’s why you resort to the physical fighting thing, you cant match intellects with me…lol. Look, some people are just more intelligent than others. You’re a fighter (according to you..lol) and I am smart. It’s the way of the world, I suppose.

And exactly what would you beating me up prove? How did you describe me, “a fat bloated pot bellied out of shape bum”. What does that say about you? You want to come out and fight me, but you believe me to be “a fat bloated pot bellied out of shape bum”. If you believe me to be as you described, wouldn’t that make you a bully and coward for wanting or even succeeding in beating up a “fat bloated pot bellied out of shape bum” who cant fight..hmmm, intriguing question of character, wouldn’t you say? But of course, as I have said, when you realized you couldn’t hang with me intellectually, you felt the need to resort to name calling and threats…. Violence…forever the purview of the small mind….

Okay so call Mike Lee direct ask him about 'South Cat' he will know me for sure, what is stopping you? Then you can apologise , and after that we can still meet I can demonstrate physically my skills.

“South Cat”, would that be as in “Pussy” Cat?..lol.

You briefly trained with Jesse, and never with Mike Lee - so it is you who is the fraud & you offer ZERO proof you trained with Mike Lee. You hide behind NCGF & dont give your real name even.

Ashatanga is your real name? What were your parent hippies?...lol. Where exactly have you given your [verified] real name and personal info? Interesting hypocrisy on your part, don’t you think? Perhaps even an irony? Oh, and I don’t feel the need to prove myself. I didn’t use their names to try and build myself up, like someone we know, eh?

If you are a man & accept my direct challenge, I will respond if not from here on I will ignore you. Whats wrong with accepting you are a man arent you, and martial artists should walk not talk when the shit hits the fan as they say. Ready when you are?

Hmm,, so you’re saying only a real “man” would accept your “fight challenge”. Gandhi must be turning in his grave…lol. Well, if we must, we must. However, I do not fight beneath my station. You must first prove to me that you are worthy of crossing hands with me. Please forward me your amateur and professional records along with the organizations in which you competed under. And none of this “I have had 100 street fights” and “am the baddest dude alive and only fight in the street”..lol. If you have no record or experience, then you are not in my league as a fighter. And don’t say to me, “you have to send yours to me first” thing. Remember, per the rules of dueling since you issued the challenge, I get to dictate the conditions, time, and place of said challenge. You made the challenge, I get to set the rules of it. Or maybe you didn’t know that. I can recommend a couple of good books on fighting and dueling that would explain these things, if you would like. Wait, you don’t seem to read much, so I will see if I can get them as books on tape for you…lol.

I must say that I am certainly glad this was your last message to me. I have enjoyed our exchanges the way a cat enjoys playing with a mouse. Perhaps we shall meet on one of the threads again in a meeting of the minds. Til, then,

NCGF

[ncgf]

Sorry to post again, but I was just emailed the following from a member of the Bax forum who also posts here. This info sent me can be found at the following URL on the forum, but I believe you may have to join it to access the thread. Interesting perspective for anyone wondering about Ashtanga05 and his forum posting style or the veracity of his claims.I have no doubt he will be following up here with his usual razor-sharp posts...lol

http://pauljbax.forumco.com/topic~TOPIC_ID~9716.asp

From that thread:

I think more than one person asked himself who the "Mensa tested omnipotent I.Q." ReekievanNinjaKeekie really is:

Here we got at least something his background as he is posting under the name ASHTANGA 05 (you know, the artist formerly known as "Baxtard's ass clown")

http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/s...t=21368&page=7 (scroll down to the bottom)

The background he portrays fits pretty well to his appearance here or on Tommy's forum.

Also the rhetoric, type face,etc. - all the same stuff.

I think WWW will him known as the man who pretty much badmouthes almost every martial artist on the base of hearsay and rumors, except his favorites and teachers. While he considers others to be "visibly shaking and afraid", he refused to accept the invitation of Tommy's student John Conlin to exchange techniques.

Not surprised he did Leung Ting-WT, many of them believing all kind of propaganda with not much of a critical mind / real background infos...

No doubt it's the same guy doing what seems his life-task in the same old manner.

His rhetoric to the other posters - they have "thousands of postings", writing with "pompous, pseudo intellectual reasoning & logic, being imbecile" - all the same. Funny...

If he's the same character on seminars, one of the teachers will sooner or later remember a student of Emin Boztepe who claims to have studied with Jesse's brother Mike Lee and who seems to be obsessive about Bruce Lee and his self-imposed life-task to protect him & his legacy...

No matter if he's a teacher within the IWTA (Leung Ting) or EBMAS (Emin Boztepe), I'm sure Emin is a straight forward character who doesn't appreciate such behaviour.

[jkdgymrat]

Pretty interesting stuff here. I go to Paul's forum. Its a really good JKD forum, but I think its more pravacative than here, or maybe not. Seem to be a lot of knowledgable people on OJKD there.

ncgf,
your to funny dude. i was roflmao when I read Ashatnga05 talking about pics with his teacher and you sayng you have pics of you with bigfoot, the loch Ness monster, Elvis. To funny.made my pepsi come out my nose.

Perry

[ASHTANGA05]

Ncgf,

You got aptly exposed as a total fraud before a previous thread was locked.

And here you go again , boring people to absolute tears with your crusade!

Nobody here is remotely interested in what you have to say, and starting a thread on this sort of nonsense is ridiculous.

Making up a supposed private message from me & putting your responses afterwards is absolutely ingenious, really I wish I thought of it first (ha ha!). Seriously I think you have problems & far too much time on your hands.

MODERATOR : you can leave this thread open or lock it to save people falling asleep and getting bored to absolute tears, at your own discretion.

[ASHTANGA05]

Incidentally, I am not the same person as on the other forum. Ashtanga for anyone who doesn't know is a form of Yoga, and there are not surprisingly a thousand Ashtanga's on the net - in forums, with the name in email address, etc. If I was the person on the other forum, I would have no problem admitting it, but sorry not me I'm afraid.

[jubaji]

Nobody here is remotely interested in what you have to say.

On the contrary, I think a lot of people are enjoying seeing you squirm as your bullshit comes back to bite you on the face...oh sorry, I meant ass, it's so hard to tell with you...

[ASHTANGA05]

By the way , the fraudster Ncgf never trained with Mike Lee as he claims, not even once. Private message him & ask him to provide proof he trained with him, as he will not offer any here - and watch & wait for the excuses as to why he won't.

[jubaji]

Kid, nobody gives half a shit about your who trained with who hysteria, or anything else you have to say. STFU

[jkdgymrat]

ashtanga05

I cant speak for ncgf but on the Bax forum they are saying that your some guy name ReekievanNinjaKeekie. I think thats what the post from Pauls forum is about.

Btw, did you get my PM about trading stuff? I have the Pavel tapes you were looking for.

Perry

[ASHTANGA05]

Jkdgymrat,

I am certainly not this person Reekie whatever, if I was I would tell you so. What is this person saying on another forum anyway?

Private Message Ncgf yourself & ask for proof he trained with Mike Lee as he claims, assure him you won't reveal it to anyone, you will have a very long wait & a heck of a lot of excuses, trust me on that.

[jubaji]

Jkdgymrat,

I am certainly not this person Reekie whatever, if I was I would tell you so. What is this person saying on another forum anyway?

Private Message Ncgf yourself & ask for proof he trained with Mike Lee as he claims, assure him you won't reveal it to anyone, you will have a very long wait & a heck of a lot of excuses, trust me on that.

Oooh! More gossip! Oooh! Drop some more names! Won't the other girls be excited to read this!

[jkdgymrat]

Ashtahga05

There is a thread on Pauls forum recently that a few people were talking about you being this reekieninja dude. It wsant a real long thread though at least last night. havent been back yet will do that a little later. I did want to ask that if ncgf is lieing about who he is, how does that prove that you arent lieing to? I mean he could be lieing and you could to isnt that true? I dont understand how hium being fake means your not.

Perry

[Garland]

Whilst we are sharing Ash PM's...here are some he sent to me...

Inosanto Group
You will soon get BAN for life from Inosanto's group , trust me it is coming! Bernales will boot you out his classes & nobody else will take you on , just watch trust me it's coming!

Good Luck.

Re: hiya you!
That meant to be remotely funny? Simple things amuse simple minds I guess. Your time is coming in JKD , just wait. Thanks!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Garland
what up pally, old pal? Old pally pal pal? How you doin' buddy? All well? Is everything cool? What up hommie? Home skillet? Homw Dawg? How's the day to day? 9 to 5, um... hmmmmmm....? Hello? Hallo? Was weisst du? Wut up? anu Ba mantahussi? What's the word on the streets, bro? Life goin' good? You feeling okay? Off the drugs? Off your meds? Out of your head? Read this aloud! Read it! READ IT! Sup ninja? How's it goin'? Goin' sweet? how bout supa sweet?

and the one I sent him...

Re: hiya you!

That meant to be remotely funny? Simple things amuse simple minds I guess. Your time is coming in JKD , just wait. Thanks!

Another fucking threat? How will you accomplish this, oh mighty one? You've never trained in JKD, you know nobody, and furthermore...I've verbally defended all the real and reputable JKD guys against you and your self proclaimed expert ass. You rip on Guro Dan and all of his guys, on all the others also, with the exclusion of one or two of your pet theorists. So according to you, I'll be barred from JKD for life for saying YOU are an ASSHOLE who doesn't know what the **** you're talking about? Because...it's against the JKD rules to call people assholes? Don't think so buddy. Sorry. Come again.

Who are you to make threats? Get a fucking life.


Looks like Asstanker thinks he's the enforcer for JKD. What are those guys in Islamic countries that come around and beat people who aren't praying?

[jubaji]

What are those guys in Islamic countries that come around and beat people who aren't praying?

Assholes.

Yeah, Ashtanga05 could definately be one of those!

[jkdgymrat]

Ashtanga05

I was just on Paul's forum. Someone posted yesterday saying that you like to issue challenges but that when somoene accepts you find excuses to not do them. They posted that you were challeneged by a guy named John Conlin but were scared of him and didnt not accept.

Now about those tapes/ What do you have for trade? Is your name Alex?

Perry