Why is Western Boxing not considered to be a "True" Martial Art?

[Tom Yum]

Who said I'm not?

Jiao wo shifu

[Ironpalm]

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[jubaji]

Jiao wo shifu

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LOL

[EmptyneSs]

bagua, just because u feel insecure with urself, and feel that the arts u practice are lacking, it doesnt mean u have to try to convince practitioners of arts that are well known to be effective that their art is enferior. u dont gotta be bitter about the fact that u are afraid to take a hit and would rather spend ur time practicing martial arts in a nice friendly, docile manner that has nothing to do with real life applications.

ur name is baguaboxer, but since u dont know anything about boxing, u should take the boxer out of ur name.

[Ironpalm]

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[Jeremy Lobdell]

Huh?

bagua, just because u feel insecure with urself, and feel that the arts u practice are lacking, it doesnt mean u have to try to convince practitioners of arts that are well known to be effective that their art is enferior. u dont gotta be bitter about the fact that u are afraid to take a hit and would rather spend ur time practicing martial arts in a nice friendly, docile manner that has nothing to do with real life applications.

ur name is baguaboxer, but since u dont know anything about boxing, u should take the boxer out of ur name.

I train in a very hardcore school, and I know that if I get hit-kicked, it means that I was doing something wrong, namely, not getting the hell out of the way. Every art, even those that are all about harder contact, work on not getting hit as much as they work on hitting the other person. There are times that you may want to trade shots with someone else, but it shouldn't be your core philosophy. If you want to just stand there and be a punching bag, feel free. But don't criticize people that know better!
Mahalo, Jeremy

[Ironpalm]

You read my mind Jeremy. Some of these guys have bought thier own bullshit one time too many.

[EmptyneSs]

I train in a very hardcore school, and I know that if I get hit-kicked, it means that I was doing something wrong, namely, not getting the hell out of the way. Every art, even those that are all about harder contact, work on not getting hit as much as they work on hitting the other person. There are times that you may want to trade shots with someone else, but it shouldn't be your core philosophy. If you want to just stand there and be a punching bag, feel free. But don't criticize people that know better!
Mahalo, Jeremy

no shit u train not to get hit. but to expect to never ever get hit, thats bs. in order to get good at not getting hit, ur gonna hit sometimes along the way. u dont have to try to take ur sparring partners head off. u can spar light with the safety gear and still become a proficient fighter in real life. and thats that. i didnt say u have to become a human punching bag, nor is that the philosphy of boxing. thats ur misconcepton of boxing. personally, i dont want to compete in boxing because boxers do often get messed up, but thats in competition. if boxers were to train like they fought in actual competition, they would accumilate so many injuries they would never even make it to the fight. i spar 3 times a week. sparring = fighting without hurting eachother. during the training, u go light, as well as wearing protective gear to minize risk of injury so u can keep training with no interuptions. those boxing headgears can take a hell of a hit and keep the person safe. i get popped in the face every now and then, and yeah it kinda hurts my nose or i take a leg kick that hurts, but its not that bad. as u said its jsut a reminder that im doing something wrong and have to work harder and making those shots find there target less and less.

btw i mentioned this before, but boxing and mt, although not "self defense" arts and are sports, they are some of the best arts in terms of building attributes and skills that one would need in self defense. boxing and muay thai build fast reflexes, evasion/blocking techniques, awesome footwork, attacks delivered/set up in combos, teaches lots of counter attackes, increases cardio endurance and the practitioners fitness level, provides them lots of experience in live sparring, and teaches people how to keep their cool during fighting while punches and kicks are coming their way.

boxing and mt are as real as it gets.

[Ironpalm]

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[EmptyneSs]

Most of those things are found in any realiistic training enviorment.

too bad alot of martial arts dont provide realistic training environments.

However pads, gloves + head gear all screw with your timing and distance. There is no perfect art or unbeatable fighter. Or perfect be all end all training technique.

those dont screw with anything . u should have the accuracy, timing, and distance judging skills to be able to compensate for all that.

There is no perfect art or unbeatable fighter. Or perfect be all end all training technique.

nobody said there was.

[koto_ryu]

boxing and mt are as real as it gets.

Acutally, bar fighting is as real as it gets. Try it sometime, it's fun

[BaguaBoxer]

footwork

I took boxing as a younger man and as i recall it wasn't just trading punches boxing has intricate foot work and circling last time i checked even in boxing gettting hit was supposed to be avoided. So if someone who boxes is taking serious punches maybe training more is a good idea. Now I never tried to convert anyone to "my" style because in my profile and earlier posts I have stated that I was a boxer and I'm not trying to take anything away from boxing. But if boxing is such a great art why is it that the fights can last 15 3minute rounds without anyone being knocked unconscience. And thank you for caring enough to attempt to insult me.

[Jeremy Lobdell]

Clueless

no shit u train not to get hit. but to expect to never ever get hit, thats bs. in order to get good at not getting hit, ur gonna hit sometimes along the way. u dont have to try to take ur sparring partners head off. u can spar light with the safety gear and still become a proficient fighter in real life. and thats that. i didnt say u have to become a human punching bag, nor is that the philosphy of boxing. thats ur misconcepton of boxing. personally, i dont want to compete in boxing because boxers do often get messed up, but thats in competition. if boxers were to train like they fought in actual competition, they would accumilate so many injuries they would never even make it to the fight. i spar 3 times a week. sparring = fighting without hurting eachother. during the training, u go light, as well as wearing protective gear to minize risk of injury so u can keep training with no interuptions. those boxing headgears can take a hell of a hit and keep the person safe. i get popped in the face every now and then, and yeah it kinda hurts my nose or i take a leg kick that hurts, but its not that bad. as u said its jsut a reminder that im doing something wrong and have to work harder and making those shots find there target less and less.

btw i mentioned this before, but boxing and mt, although not "self defense" arts and are sports, they are some of the best arts in terms of building attributes and skills that one would need in self defense. boxing and muay thai build fast reflexes, evasion/blocking techniques, awesome footwork, attacks delivered/set up in combos, teaches lots of counter attackes, increases cardio endurance and the practitioners fitness level, provides them lots of experience in live sparring, and teaches people how to keep their cool during fighting while punches and kicks are coming their way.

boxing and mt are as real as it gets.

Thanks for condensing your 3 months of experience into 1 post! The over 20 years or boxing experience I have definitely wouldn't fit!
Mahalo, Jeremy

[BaguaBoxer]

bar fighting

Koto Ryu if you were a chick I would be in love with you...bar fighting rocks

[EmptyneSs]

Thanks for condensing your 3 months of experience into 1 post! The over 20 years or boxing experience I have definitely wouldn't fit!
Mahalo, Jeremy

well for 20 years of experience u dont seem to know much about boxing, considering u think boxing is about standing there and being a punching bag.

btw, good job of not replying to any of my points.
"mahalo"