Need help on ducking and weaving etc.

[Phorce]

Im a karate student and ive been training on my punchbag for a fair few years now on a regular basis, but each time i try to practise ducking and weaving i feel that it would be innefective...

Do you bend with the knees?
Do you keep the head back?
Do you keep the torso straight?

please help. All advice appreciated.

[sirmattu]

you bend your front knee and your torso only a little bit

[Nothingness]

Tuck your chin in (rule #1), round you shoulder a bit, coordination of hips and knees to lower your body. Keep your back relatively straight (not dead straight). Otherwise, you won't be able to throw a good counter. Don't think of ducking as an evading move. Think of it as a beginning to launch a counter attack.


Please correct me if I am wrong, boxers.

[Tom Yum]

You're best served by learning from a boxing coach or a fighter. The bob & weave move is actually a little more complicated than it looks - the mistake that beginners make is that they bend too much in their back and not enough in their legs.

It might sound counterintuitive, but boxing depends heavily on the legs - coordination, balance, speed, timing all rolled up in one.

From watching beginners learn, they need to practice it under the scrutiny of a coach; even then it takes a while for some to learn it properly.

[Phorce]

Thanks for the advice, any more?

[Tom Yum]

Yeah, seek out a good boxing coach.

[Phorce]

Yeah, seek out a good boxing coach.

I would, and i have tried, but i just havent the time to go to any more clubs, and theyre too far away unfortunately.

[Tom Yum]

Do you dislike boxing?

[old skool dude]

Ducking and weaving

[QUOTE=Phorce]Im a karate student and ive been training on my punchbag for a fair few years now on a regular basis, but each time i try to practise ducking and weaving i feel that it would be innefective...
If you want to learn to swim get in the water.If you want to learn to duck....glove up, put the headgear on, and have someone SWING AT YOUR HEAD!
It's wonderful what a little "alive training" will do for your reflexing, timing and technique. When I used to go to boxing gyms they spent SOME time training you.... but you learned a lot more with On the job training. Weaving an ducking involves a bit of sensitivity as well as technique, in that you dont ALWAYS see the punches coming, but you develop a "sense" for when they're being thrown your way. (at least this has been my experience)
If you're going to have someone swing at your head, make sure that you start out slower at first and then progress gradually. At some point, you have to allow them to swing at your head as if they're going to hit it, in order to you to perfect your technique in"real time" and develop the neccessary confidence.

[nwtogame]

Theres a hell of a lot more to boxing than ppl think. You need a coach or someone that HAS boxed to teach you properly. Foot work and leaving yourself vulnerable after the initial dodge leaving yourself to counter attack, all mainly having to do with foot work and balance. Nothing someon can tell you man. If you don't have a coach or someon to help start by watching boxing, or boxing videos something that will give you a ground to practice.

[old skool dude]

Boxing aint easy....

Theres a hell of a lot more to boxing than ppl think. You need a coach or someone that HAS boxed to teach you properly. Foot work and leaving yourself vulnerable after the initial dodge leaving yourself to counter attack, all mainly having to do with foot work and balance. Nothing someon can tell you man. If you don't have a coach or someon to help start by watching boxing, or boxing videos something that will give you a ground to practice.

I'll say "amen" to that! There's a lot more to boxing then ppl think, and it aint easy!! It takes a lot more strength then ppl even realize just to hold your hands up! Those 8 oz gloves get awful heavy after a coupla rounds blocking, hitting and even missing! ALso there is the emotional component of trying to keep your composure while some dude is infront of you wishing to do you bodily harm is an art in itself. The best way to learn how to box or fight is to train with fighters who will take the time to tell you "what comes next" after you throw that jab, or duck that hook. You can get the mechanics to a certain point training by yourself, and even develop a "style" fo sorts...but like an old coach told me, "everyone has a style"....until he gets HIT!..

[Phorce]

[QUOTE=old skool dude]

Im a karate student and ive been training on my punchbag for a fair few years now on a regular basis, but each time i try to practise ducking and weaving i feel that it would be innefective...
If you want to learn to swim get in the water.If you want to learn to duck....glove up, put the headgear on, and have someone SWING AT YOUR HEAD!
It's wonderful what a little "alive training" will do for your reflexing, timing and technique. When I used to go to boxing gyms they spent SOME time training you.... but you learned a lot more with On the job training. Weaving an ducking involves a bit of sensitivity as well as technique, in that you dont ALWAYS see the punches coming, but you develop a "sense" for when they're being thrown your way. (at least this has been my experience)
If you're going to have someone swing at your head, make sure that you start out slower at first and then progress gradually. At some point, you have to allow them to swing at your head as if they're going to hit it, in order to you to perfect your technique in"real time" and develop the neccessary confidence.

Doin this right now with my mate once a week. thanks.

and tom yum- no i dont dislike boxing (if it was me the question was aimed at)...why would i? I respect it as a highly effective art, thats why i want to incorporate it more into my training routine.

Phorce

[Phorce]

[QUOTE=old skool dude]

Im a karate student and ive been training on my punchbag for a fair few years now on a regular basis, but each time i try to practise ducking and weaving i feel that it would be innefective...
If you want to learn to swim get in the water.If you want to learn to duck....glove up, put the headgear on, and have someone SWING AT YOUR HEAD!
It's wonderful what a little "alive training" will do for your reflexing, timing and technique. When I used to go to boxing gyms they spent SOME time training you.... but you learned a lot more with On the job training. Weaving an ducking involves a bit of sensitivity as well as technique, in that you dont ALWAYS see the punches coming, but you develop a "sense" for when they're being thrown your way. (at least this has been my experience)
If you're going to have someone swing at your head, make sure that you start out slower at first and then progress gradually. At some point, you have to allow them to swing at your head as if they're going to hit it, in order to you to perfect your technique in"real time" and develop the neccessary confidence.

Doin this right now with my mate once a week. thanks.

and tom yum- no i dont dislike boxing (if it was me the question was aimed at)...why would i? I respect it as a highly effective art, thats why i want to incorporate it more into my training routine.

Phorce

[old skool dude]

Practice accepting pain....

Boxing has some really good stuff in a LOT of ways their training is a lot more effective than so called "traditional " martial arts (which is a lot for me to say since I happen to love traditional martial arts as well)
One thing that boxing has over the so called traditional arts is what I call the "practice of pain". I used to have a training partner who would get me into a corner and try to crash threw my defense throwing everything but the kitchen sink. Head shots were light (for safety) but he went full blast to the body, and arms. According to my partner, I need to experience the pain associated with recieving shots so that when they DID come in an intense situation, I could just accept them, absorb them, and continue to work in spite of them.
If you ever watch two boxers battle it out in the middle of the ring, they each have a sense of poise and an "acceptance" of punches. Not that they're intentionally trying to get hit per se, but when the hit comes they sort of ignore it and go on.... In contrast when you see two {"karate guys" fight, there's this sense of anxiety, desperation, and even panic that occurs( I know there are exceptions..._In a sense, their "art" doesnt "show up" with them in the heat of combat, and they look like a pair of street fighters slugging it out, rather than trained karate men. ( I hope this makes sense)

[Phorce]

In contrast when you see two {"karate guys" fight, there's this sense of anxiety, desperation, and even panic that occurs( I know there are exceptions..._In a sense, their "art" doesnt "show up" with them in the heat of combat, and they look like a pair of street fighters slugging it out, rather than trained karate men. ( I hope this makes sense)

Damn right that made sense....i first tried just gettin some gloves on with my karate trained friend, only to find that wed get remotely close to each other then back off like pussys cos we didnt wanna get hit. Now im better, but last night i took a dip in moral when i couldnt react very well to my sparring partner closing the distance between him and myself...i guess i just panicked- however i could blame this on the fact that we had no gloves on and i would of got some clean shots in had he charged me if we were training full contact. guess i really do need to learn how to take the pain.

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