1 Punch KO

[medic06]

He could still get in a couple at close range. I have only rudimentary training in boxing and I have had no trouble landing hooks and uppercuts from short range (even against chunners). Like my father says a good punch only needs to travel a few inches. . . .

A bigger guy with any kind of skill will give you problems regardless of what you use.

[Red Rum]

He could still get in a couple at close range. I have only rudimentary training in boxing and I have had no trouble landing hooks and uppercuts from short range (even against chunners). Like my father says a good punch only needs to travel a few inches. . . .

A bigger guy with any kind of skill will give you problems regardless of what you use.

Sorry I meant to specify the clinch. If someone is clinching you well (BJJ, etc), it is often hard to strike. I can wrap someone up very well and I use this on boxers. You basically absorb any movement they give you.

In a boxing clinch, there is often room to hit. Or break out and hit etc.
As Mike said - boxers can hit from very small distances
But using other styles (which is what I meant when I said I was use wing chun against a boxer) it is possible to nullify this.

[Bigbadade]

Amen MR Brewer, some great boxers there!!

[WildWest.]

Regardless of whether your story is true or not, the biomechanical technique boxers use is superior to WC.

The grounding of the feet, the balance of the body, the hip rotation, right through to the extending of the arm and the rotation of the hand when delivering the punch tells me it is a biomechanically superior punch.

WC practitioners would improve the power in their punching if they adopting a boxing style. But then it wouldn't be WC and Thai Bri wouldn't be able to take the piss out of it!!!

[Red Rum]

Regardless of whether your story is true or not, the biomechanical technique boxers use is superior to WC.

The grounding of the feet, the balance of the body, the hip rotation, right through to the extending of the arm and the rotation of the hand when delivering the punch tells me it is a biomechanically superior punch.

WC practitioners would improve the power in their punching if they adopting a boxing style. But then it wouldn't be WC and Thai Bri wouldn't be able to take the piss out of it!!!

I was actually talking to a guy from Imperial University (London) last night who is specializing in biomechanical engineering (doing his pHD at the moment). He studies BJJ at the moment and he said that the way boxers hit is dreadful. I actually argued the point saying that boxers are among the best hitters in the world and he was saying that the way they move is inefficient and that karate is about the best striking art in the world. If anyone wants his number, I will gladly supply it privately.

Other than that, I am staying out of this forum as no-one here seems to have any kind of experience in wing chun. Goodbye

[medic06]

Peace out . . . .

[WildWest.]

OK Red Rum. You obviously strongly believe in your convictions so fair enough.

Is your biomechanical engineering friend a karate student by any chance?? What does he think of the National Geographic documentory "Fight Science" which proved that the biomechanical way boxers punch is the most technically powerful?

[Red Rum]

OK Red Rum. You obviously strongly believe in your convictions so fair enough.

Is your biomechanical engineering friend a karate student by any chance?? What does he think of the National Geographic documentory "Fight Science" which proved that the biomechanical way boxers punch is the most technically powerful?

Actually the opposite!¬ He usually despises karate (he doesn't believe in bowing etc and all the formal stuff). He is a BJJ guy through and through and quite highly ranked.

He said he knew the guys who did the research on the programme - two have apparently 'failed' to graduate university and one was a semi pro boxer!!!! So hmmmmm......

Anyway, I'm entering out of the argument as I don't think I'm going to convince anyone no matter how many names, examples I drop....
All I would say is if any guys wish to come into the UK and see how we do things they are welcome. I think our versions of wing chun are different somewhat

[medic06]

Actually the opposite!¬ He usually despises karate (he doesn't believe in bowing etc and all the formal stuff). He is a BJJ guy through and through and quite highly ranked.

He said he knew the guys who did the research on the programme - two have apparently 'failed' to graduate university and one was a semi pro boxer!!!! So hmmmmm......

Anyway, I'm entering out of the argument as I don't think I'm going to convince anyone no matter how many names, examples I drop....
All I would say is if any guys wish to come into the UK and see how we do things they are welcome. I think our versions of wing chun are different somewhat

One time, at band camp, . . . . .

[Red Rum]

One time, at band camp, . . . . .

Hey as I said I am happy to give out his number in private emails - It isn't my argument anymore.

If I wanted to make stuff up, I could say that I have been boxing for 30 years, training with Ricky Hatton for five years and undefeated in my category. But I don't. I am fresh in boxing. I have trained with good guys and not so good guys.

If I went into a ring to box a pro boxer (which I have done) I wouldn't last two seconds. However, if a boxer fough me in the street I would give him a run for their money.

End of

[Red Rum]

Red Rum,
If you want to convince people, do what I've been suggesting all along. Post some video! Don't tell a forum with this much experience that you have a friend who knows a guy who said something. Post a video. Show us what you mean. I have offered to illustrate my points with video, and even opened the door by showing you one of the people I was talking about. I invite you again to do the same. Let people see what you mean, and you won't have to do so much convincing.

Or you can just "bow out" and shrink from a debate you yourself began. Up to you.

I have answered the video debate with a simple - videos can be faked and man if you want me to post some vids I can get a friend to do it. Although in these vids I could easily fake a punch and have a guy fall over easily.

It's not what we do. If you want to see power - watch the YOUTUBE montage clip of Kevin Chan streetfighting. He takes me out with an elbow that clipped me. It was one of the few times I have been knocked out and felt like a truck had smashed into my chin. That was one strike. Even the best fighters (boxers) in the world cannot always achieve a knockout with one strike. Master Chan did it on the first go.

I do not want to discredit boxing or say that it is cr*p. It is not. That's why I train in it. My point was to merely suggest that too many people (on a boxing forum) were ruling out wing chun completely as a hard striking art.
I have been hit by pro boxers and good wing chun guys alike. They are different kinds of hits. In all honesty I prefer getting hit by a proboxer. That is just my opinion. Videos will not change that

As I have said- if anyone wants to come down to a Kamon class to discuss the merits of wing chun over boxing they are welcome. You will not be attacked (we aren't like that), but I will do demos in person to show the comparisons of boxing and wing chun

Can I just state that for the record - I did not start this debate. It was raging on another post long before I even joined up.

But I am humble enough to drop out, shrink away whatever you want to call it

I apologise if people didn't believe me about my friend, but I would just say that I do not lie. My word is good. If I am wrong on something it comes down to limited experience, not lies

[medic06]

Great post Mr Brewer. I do disagree with you a bit on the formula and theories aspect though. I think they are useful in discussion as long as people keep in mind the limitations of theory when applied to real life events. There simply are too many variables involved in fighting to try to explain it in a simple theory or more.

[medic06]

I've seen and been in enough fights to understand that discussing the physics of this punch or that punch is pretty meaningless from a pragmatist point of view.

You are right, it is pretty meaningless to you because you gained an intuitive understanding of many theory through tons of experience. I'm an scientist so I naturally explore and re-explore the whys.

In the end it's all about how much work you put into it. As my former teacher (may he R.I.P.) would say, "Less talk, more training!"

[medic06]

Damn shame we argue even when in agreement

[medic06]

They may apply to how much force a punch generates, but how relevant is that when compared with targeting, timing, placement, impact surface, attention, preparation, etc.?.

It's relevant when students start asking you the whys of training. Some people find it interesting . . . .
Other than that, yes, it's useless.