Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Roy Jones Jr???

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Roy Jones Jr???

    I love boxing but I don't get to watch it that much becuase I don't know when it comes on and stuff like that but is Roy Jones still in the game?

  • #2
    Originally posted by TheTerror View Post
    I love boxing but I don't get to watch it that much becuase I don't know when it comes on and stuff like that but is Roy Jones still in the game?
    He is, but he's not the same Roy Jones that he used to be. He was never the same after going up to heavyweight.

    Comment


    • #3
      Originally posted by Mike Brewer
      Uke is, as usual with his boxing commentary, spot on. Roy was a phenom at middleweight, super-middleweight, and even light heavy, but the years and the weight fluctiations have taken their toll. He's still one of my all time favorites, though, and despite people's tendency to talk smack after a guy's glory days are behind him, I think he ranks among the ten or twenty best of all time.
      Most boxing fans and writers that I know have him in the top 3 or 4 of all time. Roy Jones dominated more than Sugar Ray Robinson before he got old overnight, and demonstrated just as much if not more discipline, talent and skill. Sugar Ray Robinson is the consensus #1, but he's also the man they use to gauge RJJ's career.

      After winning his own portion of the heavyweight crown, many people feel that he's got to be in the top 3 if not number 1. Fans talked smack about Ray Robinson, Joe Louis, Jack Johnson, Muhammad Ali and Larry Holmes at their best, and all these men wound up being legends after historians rated them in retrospect. Jones will have to be in the top 3 simply because he was so untouchable for so long despite having beat the best that the middleweight, super-middleweight and light-heavyweight had to offer for years. How many boxers can count a win over Bernard Hopkins in his prime? How many men could say they did what Jones did to then pound for pound #1 James Toney? And remeber, critics said that Jones should move up to super-middleweight because he was too small. Then when he went up to lt. heavyweight, they said he'd be crushed in just his first couple of matches.

      Jones began at super-welterweight and went all the way up to heavyweight. No other boxer had done that feat in almost a century. Some fans will discuss sour grapes when it comes to Jones, but real fans will remember his crushing body blow knockout of Virgil Hill. They'll remember his behind the back knockout of Glenn Kelly. People will remember the way David Telesco body-slammed him into the turnbuckles and Jones in turn invited him to fight in the corner and tattooed Telesco's face with a vengeance.

      Very few boxers have made their opposition seem so ordinary. Names like Tyson and Ali come to mind when you think in those terms.

      Comment


      • #4
        Originally posted by Uke View Post
        They'll remember his behind the back knockout of Glenn Kelly
        I don't remember that one will someone please explain. It sounds like you are talking about a spinning backfist but that cannot be so. Thanks in advance.

        Comment


        • #5
          I always liked to watch him fight. I had never seen anyone knock someone else out with a body blow before I saw one of his fights. I was like how the heck did he do that? Was pretty neat.

          Comment


          • #6
            Originally posted by Mike Brewer
            Careful with comments like "Roy dominated more than Ray Robinson." I feel it may be a good time to point out that even in the amateurs, Robinson had an exemplary record of 85-0 with 69 KOs, 40 of them in the first round. As a professional, Robinson's record stood at 200 fights with 173 victories and 108 knockouts. That kind of activity is unheard of nowadays! Ray's knockout string alone (just a smidge over half his total fights) equals twice Roy's entire fight career, which is just 54 fights and 50 wins, with a relatively miniscule 38 KO victories. In other words, Ray Robinson fought almost four times as many opponents (and against people like LaMotta, Fullmer, etc., one can hardly say the competition wasn't fierce), had twice as many knockouts as Roy had fights, and had nearly three times the knockout ratio against what could arguably be considered some of the best fighters in history.

            The reason Ray Robinson is considered #1 is beacause he earned it, hands down. I am and always will be a Roy Jones, Jr. fan, but let's try and keep things in perspective. Even when you compare the toughest battles of the two fighters, you can see why Ray pulls ahead. In his six fights with Fullmer, Robinson experienced losses and wins, and he came back a stronger fighter and better man. Roy fought Bernard Hoplins and eeked out a victory, and he lost twice to Tarver - his second attempt looking like a beaten man from the outset. When you talk about Ray Robinson, you're talking about a fighter and an athlete of such quality that he stands alone not just in his own time, but in history.
            Ray Robinson had more losses in his prime that Jones ever did, Mike Brewer. Jones earned every bit as much of his legacy as Robinson did his. Let's face it: Robinson fought in the days of 15 rounders, when men would fight much more often than they do nowadays. Its easy to say that almost any great fighter from those days were better than today's fighters. That's I'll agree with. What I won't agree with is the fact that Jones' losses count against him when he was in his prime.

            Just above you agreed that Jones was NEVER the same after going up to heavyweight. His losses came AFTER he came back down. He's just not the same fighter. His reflexes are slower. His power seems to be missing. He's acquired a glass jaw. I've seen Jones take harder shots from bigger punchers than Tarver, and Tarver is an arm puncher, not a power puncher.

            Jones is a case of a guy not knowing when to quit. Had he quit after defeating Tarver the first time there would be no doubts. But he still wants to fight. Some horses still want to race even though they've had one of their legs cut off.

            The way you speak about Ray Robinson is a lot like the way you speak about Ali, Mike Brewer. Much of the admiration you have for him is not only because of his ring accomplishments. Its because he was a much more interesting character than Jones. But the fact is that even in his prime Robinson had losses. At his best Robinson got beat by guys that weren't on his level. That never happened to Jones. That is not to say that Jones is a better than Robinson. They were both phenoms. But Roy shines just as bright as Robinson and I think his accomplishments in boxing edge out Robinson.

            Middleweight, Super-middleweight, unified Lt. heavyweight and heavyweight titlist. Undefeated until he gained and lost significant amounts of muscle mass in a short period of time. He was never the same and probably won't ever be, but his accomplishments are what they are.

            Its a matter of opinion. But even the old timers like Eddie Futch made statements qualifying Jones as "among the very best that ever did it at any weight". He's a throwback fighter who pulls of moves that haven't been seen in years. From broken rhythm to Joe Frazier's leaping left hook to throwing 8 left hooks in a row like Sugar Ray Leonard, Roy Jones brought back some of the classic attributes and moves of boxing's greatest fighters.

            Comment

            Working...
            X