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  • Mayweather vs DelaHoya

    Who are you picking to win?

    I'm picking Floyd Mayweather.

    Floyd is younger, more talented and has more to prove in this fight. That isn't to say that DLH isn't a talented boxer. He's fought some of the best fighters of our time, and while many of his wins are questionable, he still stood up and fought those men.

    Floyd Mayweather is a defensive genius. His style allows him to fight inside and out, despite him being the smaller man. He's fast. He's a smart fighter. He's in phenomenal shape.

    DLH is a solid technician. He has much more experience than Mayweather. He's a bigger and stronger man than Mayweather. I believe that DLH has taken more beatings than Mayweather, which shows that he has a more proven level of ring durability. I'm not saying Mayweather isn't as durable, but it just isn't as established. Another factor that works in DLH's favor is that DLH does well in the late rounds, a quality that I can't say that many of Mayweather's former opponents had.

    When the bell rings, expect DLH to try to establish himself early. He doesn't respect Mayweather's power. I believe that DLH will bully Mayweather early on until Floyd gives him a reason to stop. DLH isn't stupid and won't let Floyd rope-a-dope him. DLH won't punch himself out because he's too smart for that. However, his work rate will probably be much higher because he hasn't been this light in years. It would make no sense for DLH not to impose his size early on. He'll be hoping to do lots of damage early on, I'm guessing to the body although Floyd seems to protect his body much more than he does his head.

    This fight should represent the changing of the guard, but how can it if it is to be Mayweather's last fight?

    I'm sure that if Floyd loses, he'll come back. How can he let his legacy end like that?

    If DelaHoya loses, it won't be that big of a deal because he's lost before. In fact, DelaHoya has lost more times than his record reflects. He's lost against Pernell Whitaker, Ike Quartey, and Felix Sturm. Floyd isn't without his gift decisions either as he truly lost against Castillio the first time. Still, I think a loss here would definitely be more damaging to Mayweather.

    I think we're going to see Mayweather making DLH miss a lot and counter-punching. I think DLH will try to establish the jab early on to neutralize Floyd's speed, and eventually try to corner him or get him on the ropes to use his left hook. I think Floyd will start out with business as usual, establishing his own jab, creating the tempo and looking to make DLH anxious so he can counter-punch. Once he frustrates DLH enough with his speed and timing, he figures he just has to maintain that rate and rack up points until DLH makes a big mistake and let's him score with something big.

    The one thing I love about Floyd is that he's patient. In boxing, that can be a bad thing sometimes if the fighter isn't busy enough. What I like about DLH is his willingness to trade and his ability to dig down deep when he has to.

    DLH's best strategy would be to come with the onslaught early. I say this for a couple of reasons. First, he's the bigger man and his conditioning will be questionable having to make the weight at 147lbs again after having let his body grow a bit. Second, he can't let Floyd establish the tempo. If this happens he'll be playing catch-up all night. Third and perhaps most important, Floyd Mayweather is notorious for having brittle hands, which also means that Floyd like to pick and choose his shots as opposed to getting in exchanges. If DLH can force Mayweather into having to punch to keep him off of him, there's a higher probability that Floyd will injure his hands early on, significantly diminishing the amount of punches he'll be willing to throw.

    I've seen what Floyd's victories look like when he hurts his hands. They're less than impressive and he coasts by on speed and elusiveness. If DLH could force Floyd to throw when he doesn't want to, the chips would be stacked in his favor.

    IMO, this is another case of the bull vs the matador. We'll see how it plays out in May.

    Speed: Advantage - Mayweather
    Power: Advantage - DLH
    Defense: Advantage - Mayweather
    Experience: Advantage - DLH
    Endurance: Advantage - Mayweather
    Durability: Advantage - DLH
    Ring Generalship: Advantage - Mayweather

  • #2
    Prediction: Mayweather is gonna get on his bicycle and coast to another pot-shotting, defensive victory.

    Personally, I think Mayweather is an AMAZING boxer but far from being a warrior. Watching him fight, I always have to question what he values first:
    #1 how much money can I make?
    #2 what will I look like at the end?
    #3 fighting

    I was a huge DLH fan until the Trinidad fight but I think he's proven himself since then. I was very impressed that he was actually taking the fight to Hopkins...totally unexpected but I was happy to see that he still had some fight in him.

    All Mayweather talks about is maintaining his legacy. I think it's hilarious b/c he's had such a "calculated" career that I think critics will always question his potential. Pretty sure that's the legacy he was looking for! Now I know all the Mayweather fans are saying well this is the fight that is going to define him but I doubt it. He is going to pick his last superfight with a legitimate opponent to change his style and engage in the fight? Doubtful. I hope he brought his helmet and handlebar bell...

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    • #3
      Good response. I disagree about Mayweather not being a warrior though. He's fought to to toe with the best of them. I don't think you can name one fighter that Mayweather has fought that he ran from. I think you might be confusing his style with the hype there.

      I've seen him reluctant to trade when he's hurt his hand, but Mayweather on a whole is the small guy that will stand inside and fight with bigger punchers.

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      • #4
        I predict that the youngest man will win the fight. Youth over experience in this mans sport.

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        • #5
          Let me be the first to pick De la Hoya... I think Oscar is going to go in there and fight. I think he will take the fight to Mayweather and will force Mayweather to fight Oscar's fight. Oscar always seems to fight better when his opponent runs their mouth before the fight. Oscar has something to prove as well. He wants to show the world that he can still fight a tough opponent and win. Oscar's strengths:

          ring smart
          experience
          strong
          a brutal left hook
          good offense and defense
          can be a technician
          can be a brawler
          most importantly a VERY BIG HEART

          Just my take on it...I also really like Mayweather but Oscar is my boy.

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          • #6
            My warrior comment was not directed at necessarily his style of fighting. By no means do I expect someone to take punch if he can avoid it. Going blow for blow is not what I expect to see in a warrior. I warrior, in my mind, always wants to face the best competition. However, with Mayweather, I feel as though he is SO selective about who and when he fights people that it makes me question the warrior in him. I understand that boxing is a business and longevity in the career equals severe health consequences in the long run. The name of the game, as with most pro sports, is to get in young and make the most money that you can without getting hurt. Mayweather is the master of this. I guess with Mayweather I can't tell where his business side ends and warrior begins.

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            • #7
              I can see how you feel this way. Mike Brewer and I have had this conversation before.

              But not every fight will be made, and a lot of the time is has nothing to do with what some perceive as simply "ducking" an opponent. Most times it has to do with the number one driving force in any sport: Money. Some won't concede the lion's share of the purse, which Mayweather feels he's entitled to. Then when negotiations go south, their camp spreads rumors that someone is ducking their fighter.

              Only at jr welterweight can someone criticize Mayweather's lack of top competition. He wanted to fight a lot of those guys, but they wouldn't negotiate to make it happen. Terms could not be reached that could be agreed upon. No one was anxious to fight Mayweather there. Not Tszyu. Not Hatton, and not Cotto. So he fought Gatti, a man that many, many fans gave a better than average chance to win. In fact, many thought that Gatti would bully Mayweather throughout the fight.

              Mayweather then moved up to welterweight, where he currently resides as champion. Who hasn't he fought? Zab Judah beat Corey Spinks, the then champion of the weight class. Corey became top dog after outboxing Mayorga, a feat that even Sugar Slayer Vernon Forrest couldn't pull off. Zab Judah, despite what many people think, is a big talent. He was once touted as the next big thing in boxing. He just lacks discipline big time and it shows. But he lost against Carlos Baldomir, who became the welterweight champ. Then Mayweather beat both Zab Judah and Carlos Baldomir. Who else has he missed?

              We could nominate a ton of people throughout the ranks that he missed during his ascension, but he fought the important fighters. The only division that could even warrant criticism is jr welterweight. Mayweather publicly stated that he and Hatton should fight, but Hatton's camp wanted to play the "you need us more than we need you" game. So, Mayweather just moved up to welterweight. We then saw Ricky Hatton's pathetic attempt to try to move up in an effort to chase the money and opportunity that he clearly saw sailing away into the sunset. He won that fight officially, but anyone watching knows he lost that one.

              I digress. Mayweather has fought every significant fighter that he needed to to make good fights, win belts, and beat the best fighters in his divisions.

              I think its an unfair and more importantly unfounded criticism to claim that a man who has fought and defeated Genaro Hernandez, Diego Corrales, Jose Louis Castillio, Arturo Gatti, and Zab Judah plays it safe. In nearly all those fights Floyd was the smaller, less powerful fighter.

              I wonder if this criticism has to do with Antonio Margarito, the man who everybody is supposedly ducking. A man who has basically one fight worth mentioning against Kermit Cintron. A man who is ducking Paul Williams and got manhandled in his fight against Clottey. Other than the hype surrounding Margarito, I can't imagine who Floyd has been ducking.

              I just hope the fight is a great one. We've seen plenty of build up at times that didn't refect in the actual fight. Sometimes respect for another fighter can make a really boring match.

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              • #8
                Great argument. I've read the various arguments on this forum and I'm not trying to re-invent the wheel...haha.

                Bottom line for me...Mayweather by majority decision. DLH by choice

                You?

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                • #9
                  Mayweather by UD. He doesn't carry enough power to do to DLH what he did to Gatti. But I do believe that his skills are superior enough for him to break down DLH and stand in close, landing that better of the blows.

                  So let me get this straight: You pick Floyd to win but you're rooting for DLH? Hmm... interesting. I like DLH to a certain degree, but what made me lose respect for him was the repeated intervention of politics in his wins.

                  He lost against Pernell Whitaker. No doubt.
                  He clearly lost against Ike Quartey. Quartey had the first 8 rounds won and DLH pulled it out due to the 12 round.
                  He lost against Felix Sturm, which was evident not only to me but even the fans and commentators called it a fix.

                  I respect him for fighting the men that he did, but I hate the way that his legacy has benefited from the old "mafia" fix over fighters that truly won. Those fighters may have gone on to do great things had they not been completely discouraged by boxing's biased politics and system.

                  Believe me, they don't call him the Golden Boy because he's the best boxer out there. They call him The Golden Boy because he has the golden "touch", or just the right connections to keep him at the top of the game without winning fights.

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                  • #10
                    Haha...I totally agree with all your comments. Trust me, I'm not one of those die hard fans that makes excuses for questionable wins. Facts are facts and I call things the way that I see them. The Felix Strum was horrible!!! The only fair decision in any of his fights was against Trinidad.

                    I guess the past couple fights I've started to see the younger DLH...call me nostalgic but I just still see that scrappy kid trying to come out. Plus, I always root for the underdog!

                    fozzy40

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                    • #11
                      Good point. we like who we like for the reasons we have. I hope its a great fight and its been a great discussion, fozzy40. Hope to hear from you more often.

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                      • #12
                        Another vote for Mayweather by decision, although I'd rather see De La Hoya win and I'll be pulling for him. I'm not sure if there's anyone in the world who can stand against Mayweather right now.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Britt View Post
                          Another vote for Mayweather by decision, although I'd rather see De La Hoya win and I'll be pulling for him. I'm not sure if there's anyone in the world who can stand against Mayweather right now.
                          Sure there is. Mayweather could easily be defeated if he move up another division. More fighters lose because of weight divisions changing their strengths. Shane Mosley was a king at lightweight, but he's never been at that level ever since leaving. Roy Jones was never the same after going up to heavyweight and then coming back down. James Toney was P4P#1 at supermiddleweight. I believe Ricardo Mayorga would have given Trinidad a MUCH better fight at welterweight than at junior middleweight. He's no good at jr. middle, and that's why he came down in the first place.

                          Mayweather is P4P the best, but he isn't going to go up to middleweight or anything.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Hardball View Post
                            I predict that the youngest man will win the fight. Youth over experience in this mans sport.
                            If that were true, Antonio Tarver would have beaten Bernard Hopkins. There are plenty of other examples, but I think you get the point.

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                            • #15
                              I'm tired of all the touring and promotion BS! Fight already! Actually, it might work in DLH favor...he always seems to fight better when he's pissed

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