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#2
i'm not the most experienced guy here, but

I can tell you a few things..

1: shadow box: do this often. do this in front of a mirror if you can, and if you can't, do it anyway.. shadowbox as if you have an opponent. learn to move with balance and speed. learn to punch and move at once.. work combinations. work your defensive moves with your offensive moves.. shadowboxing is extremely useful, and will help to give you relaxed, smooth, fast energy.

2: heavy bag: this is how you get power. lots of people know this, but I wanted to reiterate it, cause I'm a small guy and it's how i developed power.. (not to say i hit like tyson)..

hit the heavy bag to develop "snap" in your punches. what does snap mean? I wondered for years til a boxing coach with verbal skills finally explained.. snap means your punch PENETRATES your target, rather than push him backwards. if you push him backwards, he absorbs almost none of the energy..

the way to develop this is to use a hanging heavy bag. when you hit the bag, it will move one of two ways

1: it will swing like a pendulum. pendulums swing from a central point that they hang from. the bottom of the pendulum describes the largest arc, the top of it hardly any. this is exactly how you DON'T want your heavy bag to move when you hit it. if the bottom of your bag moves farthest before the top begins to move, then you are pushing the bag.

2: the top of the bag will violently begin movement, leaving the bottom of the bag momentarily still. the chains will rattle, and you may even make a visible crater in the bag where you hit it, depending on your bag's make up.

to do this, you have to hit fast. you have to retract your fist as fast as you threw it (physics talks about this some.. says that the longer an object is in contact with the subject of it's collision, the less energy the subject absorbs (and the more the object takes on itself) translated: hit and retract quickly for proper punching power)


a human target is like a big buoy. it will buoy away if you hit it..it isn't fixed to a wall or the ground or even the ceiling, so if you shove it it will move.. you gotta hit it fast enough that it doesn't have time to move before absorbing your impact.



also, practice your jab. jab jab jab jab. jab and jab. jab more. more jabs. keep jabbing. when i started boxing my coach had me throw ONLY jabs for 3 or 4 months before I even got to throw a cross. the jab is the key in boxing. the jab will make your throws very succesful in a street fight as well.. jab jab jab. develop a flickering jab for speed, and a powerful "straight left" type jab for knock outs..

keep in mind though, my coach said it best "don't throw any punch unless you intend to hurt him with that punch. never throw a weak punch, not even your jab. it should always snap his head back, minimum." I can't say it better than that, so i won't try.

sparring: this is crazy important, in my opinion, and from reading on this forum (more experienced guys, mostly) that opinion has only grown stronger.. sparring is the test-all. you can learn all the combinations and evasion drills you want, but it's not til you try it on an opponent (who is also trying to stomp you) that you know it can be done. Sparring is the great instructor. you should always come out of sparring with a question, each time. "I keep getting hit in the chin after I throw my combo..." "How do I get in to hit the body?" etc.. you should always hav ea question. use these questions to fuel your practices.


watch boxers and boxing. watch the rotten guys as well as the technicians. get into it like it was a good movie, and be the actors. listen to the anouncers, most of those guys know some serious boxing.


finally: consider stickfighting. stickfighting is an excellent supplement, and uses many of the same tools and concepts. so what you develop stickfighting will also be development for your boxing.


no heavy bag? no mirror? hang a towel by one of it's corners from your ceiling, and use it as a target. this is a great supplement for a heavy bag as well, and one of my faves.. it's also easy to travel with..

that's all for today, hope it helps..

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    • #3
    a thing occurred to me..

    your bag will describe a pendulum type movement even when you hit it right..

    it's the INITIAL movement of the bag that won't be pendulum-like.. when you first hit the bag, you want the part of the bag you hit (the top) to JERK AWAY before the bottom of the bag has an oppurtunity to begin movement. it is this jerking force that causes your punch to do great damage to some poor mutt's face..

    however, after that initial jerk, your bag will move more like a pendulum..

    it occurred to me that you might be watching your bag thinking "what the hell did he mean"..in frustration..
    heh

    another point (a separate point, but it will also help you accomplish this) is that I was taught a boxer's knuckles should only penetrate his target 1-3 inches.. a friend of mine once said "a boxer tries to punch all the way through a guy's head, as if he's trying to hit the wall behind the man".. this (to my knowledge) is more true of a karateka breaking boards than a boxer punching a human.. my coach taught me to only try to sink my knuckles a couple inches before jerking my fist back fast.. trying to punch 8 inches through your opponent will make for a "pushing" movement more than a penetrating movement.. when karateka break boards, something is holding the board firmly..so that technique works for that.. however, do this with a punch and you will be screwing your range all up.. a jab works best at a certain range. that range is not the point at which your hand will pass 8 inches through your opponent.

    likewise for hooks. lots of beginners throw a hook with a "mack truck" like strength.. a hook isn't thrown like that.. a hook is a snappy whap, not a truck. the snappiness of it (with body mechanics) will make it FEEL like a truck, however..

    I often tell my friends when they hit a heavybag not to "try to hit the bag as hard as you can".. instead, try to make the bag move correctly. if you try to hit as hard as you can, you're gonna do some weird cross between traditional tae kwon do punching and boxing punching. that will serve neither end..

    and finally, learn footwork. learn to hit your opponent with your heel.. meaning, twist your hips and feet torso properly. bruce lee describes it like shutting a door.. the door rotates around the hinge, and the outer edge of it willslam into the frame. you will rotate in a similar fashion on your toe, and your hip/shoulder will rotate over it as if your whole side was the hinged side of the door..

    this is a very good tip from bruce, and if i haven't explained well enough, ask.

    btw, if you don't own Tao of Jeet Kune Do, it's an excellent book for supplementing your boxing training, not to mention the other subjects it covers. I've seen some really, really crappy books on boxing.. they leave out tons and tons of points on form. bruce's is a good one. non-Jeet Kune Do fighters usually don't know that bruce really loved western boxing..




    [Edited by quietanswer on 10-26-2000 at 04:26 PM]

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    • #4
      Thanks dude!

      quietanswer,

      Just wanted to acknowledge your typing efforts there-i read and copied it then printed it and read it again-thanks!!
      Just simple stuff like that is like gold when you are starting out.
      Cheers

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      • #5
        1st, find a good gym & a good coach.

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        • #6
          Originally posted by
          I need help. I am a new boxer and I if anyone is experianced or knows what they are doing can they please give me some training advice and forms to practice. Whats are some pit falls that your have seen, orwhat have you seen work best.
          Thanx
          Steve

          This is how I see it.
          It depends entirely on what you want to get out of it.

          I started thinking about boxing when i was 16 at high school. My first bag was just a sleeping bag with a whole heap of sheets packed in it. Sure, it was crap-but it did the job, i taught myself how to throw punches, but didnt really get into it much.
          My next step was to make a bag out of PVC, which i did, it cost me $90{NZ}, i still have this and its damn good. I filled it with sawdust and even though it does slump a bit, its still a lot better than that sleeping bag. I asked a friend who is black belt in Tae Kwan Do about basic fighting skills and he showed me all my punches, i also learnt a lot from the net.
          I never really wanted to compete-i knew it would be fun, but i didnt really have an urge to do it.
          All i wanted was to have basic protection skills, confidence, and a development in muscle power-which it has all given me.

          A few weeks back i was walking through town late at night with a friend. We had had a few drinks, but nothing over the limit, just a couple to round the night off.
          Anyway, we were coming round a corner and came straight into the faces of three teenagers, pissed off their nut, and obviously looking for trouble. One of them made a pass at my friend, calling him a 'gay fag' for some reason, and we both stopped to confront them. One of them was keen enough to say "c'mon, lets sort this right here", and at this point-several months back-i would have been running with my tail between my legs. They werent huge, but there were three of the bastards, and my mate was in no shape to knock them to the ground. However, my training and routine{but not extensive} boxing gave me the confidence to stand up for myself and my foe, and tell him that he wasnt so big and i'd like to see him try. At that point in time he walked right up to me-face to face- and pushed me back. He didnt push me far, but that immediate reaction sent my adrenaline to full power and i grabbed him by his shirt and drew my fist.
          It was complete overwhelment for him, and he pulled away, cursed a few times, then THEY all walked off with their tails between their legs.
          So it just shows you how much you want to get from boxing. In this particular occasion i didnt even have to hit the person-just showing him that i was confident and ready for anything proved him wrong and sent him on his way.
          Good luck

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          • #7
            It seems boxing has given you a bit of confidence....keep in mind that boxing is not a street art....punching a person in the head (hardest bone in body) with an unprotected hand (which has a lot of small bones) is not a good idea....want street stuff look into Jun Fan Gung Fu or Wing Chun.

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            • #8
              Injuring hands.

              At the moment I'm experimenting with boxing movements, but using the palm to strike with instead of the fists for head shots. I do love the fluid and effective way the Boxer moves when in the punching range, but hate the idea of breaking my hands when I need them the most.

              For the relatively less powerful lead Jab I still use the fist. You get more range and can't really generate enough power to break your hand. The hard striking surface of the knuckles will give him something to think about.....And if I was in real trouble a finger strike may be justifiable. But it would have to be life or death.

              For the right Cross and both the lead and rear hand Hook the palm can work well. The striking surface feels "soft" in comparison to the knuckles but it has the following advantages. Firstly it is very unlikely to damage the skin. How are you going to look to the police if atacked but it is you that has blood all over your hands? Secondly the knuckles are totally protected. they are notorious for sustaining damage against the hard bones of the skull. theyre just not designed to take it. Thirdly the wrist is taken out of the equation, so you couldn't really strain it. You do have to think about the angle your strike hit home at though. Your hand only bends back a certain extent so my right cross tends to travel in a very slight upward arc, and when I Hook my fingers are pointed diagonally upwards and away from myself.

              If I'm in real close the elbows come into play. With body shots I'd still use the fist, as the skin and knuckles are still in relative safety (though be careful of the wrist).

              I am wondering about the Uppercut, as it doesn't seem to feel right, trying to throw them with the palms but, in a real fight, the knees would do the job.

              In short many cultures are full of images of punching. The hands are clearly not designed for it, so exploring alternatives is a good idea.

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              • #9
                Well one of the most important thing is to learn balance when throwing more than one punch at a time.

                Quiet answer summed up the importance of shadow boxing, thats very Very important....it teaches you balance, proper form and helps you develop your own style.

                Bag work....alot of people say different things on bag work. Me personally i try to punch all the way through the bag. But my mindset is to punch through the bag before my hands even get let go.(might sound confusing, but i dont know how else to explain it). When my hand lands i dont force it through the bag, i pull it back after full impact. The way i punch is i kind of whip my punches out there instead of trying to muscle em out, this really works for me, so i stick to it. when you whip, whip fast! Well you best advice i can really give you is practice, through practice you experemt and find out what best works for you...good luck!

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                • #10
                  I bow down to you quiet answer. That has to be the best summary of the important fundamentals of boxing I have ever read. You show not only knowledge, but wisdom of that knowledge. I am aghast.

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