Boxing vs. Asian Martial Arts

[Thai Bri]

Nope. Fox Hunters don't carry guns over here.

So poo off!

[jules]

People here seem to knock "stand up locking" arts such as Aikido and Hapkido. I do BJJ and MT myself and i have been taught that BJJ has "stand up locking" also. That's what the Gracies taught the Brazilian police. The question comes down to "what do you really want to do?" do you want to seriously hurt someone or subdue them? The fact that Hapkido and Aikido are used by the police forces of their respective nations is enough evidence that these skills are usefull. At least IMHO.

[ryanhall]

Taught, used, and useful are all very different things. Just ask police officers. Why do you think that you hear them complain about the crappy hand to hand that they receive?

[NuffSpeed]

Originally posted by Thai Bri
Nope. Fox Hunters don't carry guns over here.

So poo off!

Neither do the police Crazy english people, and here's everyone saying the police don't get good hand to hand, you all don't even have to carry guns! Must be pure warriors! Hehehe

[jules]

Taught, used, and useful are all very different things. Just ask police officers. Why do you think that you hear them complain about the crappy hand to hand that they receive?

I don't know where you live but i have never heard a korean police officer complain about the crappy hand to hand training that they have recieved.

[ryanhall]

Try looking at the line cleverly disguised as 'location.' Are you from Korea? Do you have a number of friends that are Korean law enforement officers? Are Korean officers subject to the same restrictions that Western LEO's are--almost certainly not.

I know a number of police officers, and they all feel roughly the same about their hand to hand 'training.' Which is to say that they don't think much of it.

[jules]

Try looking at the line cleverly disguised as 'location.'

I have learned not to put much faith in what people put on their online forum profiles.

Are you from Korea? Do you have a number of friends that are Korean law enforement officers?

Yes and yes.

Are Korean officers subject to the same restrictions that Western LEO's are--almost certainly not.

It depends on what "restrictions" are. The use of guns are strictly frowned upon. Even if the criminal has a knife or a weapon the police officer is required to warn 3 times, shoot once in the air and then he can shoot the perp in the legs. In "hand to hand" fighting, i would say that korean cops have more "experience" than their "western" counterparts.

[Thai Bri]

Jules. That is nonsense.

[jules]

what's nonsense?

[ryanhall]

what's nonsense?

Warning three holy shit batmanholy shit batmanholy shit batmanes, shooting in the air, and only firing at the legs. Sorry, but I don't buy it. Who the hell has holy shit batmanholy shit batmanholy shit batmane for all of that when they are confronted by a knife-holding attacker.

[jules]

Warning three times, shooting in the air, and only firing at the legs.

Oh well that's the procedure.

Sorry, but I don't buy it.

Well let me put it this way, korea is a nation that hasn't executed anyone in almost a decade.

Who the hell has time for all of that when they are confronted by a knife-holding attacker.

Well the irony is that the police carry around baseball bats, pipes and other "non-lethal weapons" for cases like this. Guys, I know it must sound wierd to you but you have to accept differnt cultures. Korea is wierd like that, the DA's are known to beat up/wature torture suspects, the police beat the shit out of criminals. But when it comes to taking a life, a whole different set of rules are in place. I remember a line that an actors says (and many korean police officers agree) "They (the government) didn't give us guns to shoot the suspects, they gave it to us so we can chuck it at the supects like a rock". If you don't belive me then i guess you don't belive me...

[jubaji]

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[Ghost]

What happend to ryan hall and great sage, i remember them from wayyyyyyyy back.

[peppi]

Could someone give me a basic rundown of the strengths/weaknesses of boxing as opposed to traditional Asian martial arts such as jujitzu and karate?

Boxing develops:
1. good footwork
2. defensive skills based on "not chasing the hand" concept
3. punching power

Which form would be better for a no-rulz street fight?

Both combined.

[Sagacious Lu]

Anyone mind if I give the dead horse another kick? I look at styles (arts, sports, whatever) as tool boxes. Punches are very effective tools. Boxing, because it specializes in punching is the best way to develop punches as tools. There are lots of valid tools that are not found in boxing that can be found elsewhere. It's meaningless to ask which is better, you have to decide which tools work best for you and then you can go about learning them.