Boxing vs. Asian Martial Arts

[sercuerdas]

techniques ain't where it's at, it's about attribrutes and the ability to flow. boxing or traditional arts it's all the same.

[chris davis 200]

Haveing 10 times the amount of techniques is horrible in a real fight. Your brain will take a dump and you'll lock up. Having a few responses to actions that are pre programmed responses is the best way to go.

Dont know about striking arts like karate etc, but the main reason for learning a multitude of techniques is to engrain the principles of movement onto your brain - then you wont have to think of a technique - one will present itself.

this type of automated responce is far far far quicker than the tactical thought process employed by sport fighters.

This is also very hard to achieve. Internal chinese arts appear to be very effective at teaching this automated reflex, but i know that there are very very few capable of this type of teaching.

It is definatley best to master one technique - than learn 1000 badley.

A famous hsing i master, used just one technique and was very nearly undefeated (until he met another hsing i master). But this one techniques was virtually impossible to counter or defend against because he was a master at it.

If you can get the right teaching learn in the traditional way, if you cant (and you probably cant!), focus your skills and become an expert at a few key things.

cheers
chris

[Gom]

Sun Fist according to your profile your 13 years old. Now either you started doing martial arts when you were 3 years old (almost 4) or your profile is wrong. Except you come across as a very very young person. Perhaps i misinterpret the underlying tone in your posts.

Haveing 10 times the amount of techniques is horrible in a real fight. Your brain will take a dump and you'll lock up. Having a few responses to actions that are pre programmed responses is the best way to go.

If i take your posts the wrong way I'm very sorry. But you come across as really really cocky. If you don't know wat your talking about. Present it as an opinion. Not the be all end all of martial arts wisdom

[sun fist]

Who's likely to not have an effective technique come to mind? If you have trained in the martial arts for about 9 or 10 years like I have, an effective technique would easily come to mind!

[Turing]

In a street fight, a martial artist would easily pound a boxer into the ground since martial artist know ten times more techniques and hand forms to strike vital areas. [/B]

It's also quite likely they are ten times less likely to have an effective technique come to mind in time.

[J_TKD]

these days modern martial arts are incorporating boxing into their style/curriculum. I, for example, train in AIMAA TaeKwonDo. We keep the traditional stances and kicks and punches and patterns etc, but we also box like boxers, kick with the power of kick boxers and the skill of a WFT kicker, grapple like JJS........

Obviuosly a boxer has the best punch, so why not use it... as I said, we still do the same tkd as everyone else, stances up and down the floor, but for squad training or sparring classes we hit the bags with a strong upper body hook, torquing the body keeping feet about shoulder width apart like a boxer to avail of reach from both hands. Then if a fight goes to the ground (as a high percentage of street fights will) we can use the grappling skills we learn from JJS. I think its great that we learn all the different fighting styles in a taekwondo class. Also makes it more enjoyable I find.

[sun fist]

In a fight with rules and limitations a boxer will win easily because boxing is nothing but a sport that teaches how to utilize the ring. In a street fight, a martial artist would easily pound a boxer into the ground since martial artist know ten times more techniques and hand forms to strike vital areas. Plus, since boxers seldom guard their legs, low kicks would make a boxer crumble.

[sercuerdas]

a. o. t.
thanx for the help...

[Tom Yum]

Cross training helps too.

A boxer who is familar with muay thai will know what to expect and how to use his skills to keep himself in punching range and avoid getting kicked or clinched - not an easy task to do.

Likewise a thaiboxer familar with boxing will know what to expect and how to keep the boxer off balance with leg kicks and control him in the clinch - also not easy.

A small % of boxers are learning muay thai for its 'dirty' moves and to add to their self-defense. Most thaiboxers cross train in boxing to improve their hand speed and footwork.

[ewod]

I dont think its fair to compare styles...I see it more like who is the better fighter, not the better style...a boxer could beat someone who is an expert in any martial art depending mainly on the boxer and his strength and power...on the other hand, a martial artist could beat a boxer, but like I said, it depends mainly on the martial artist because style does not determine that this guy or that guy is automatically better at fighting...

[Arms_Of_Thor]

If they are kicking you with their rear leg to the groin then either they are to far to throw a kick to body or they are really trying to kick you in the balls. A rear kick is usually loaded so pay attention, once you see the hip torque ,shoot in and throw a good 1 2. And if its a lead footed kick you can basically boot kick the shin or knee. Circle right to avoid lead kicks to body & head and keep your lead foot on the outside of theirs. Yeah jab or double jab. If youre kicking get to their side theyll be off balanced so clinch and you can throw some knees and elbows.

[SilverWolf33]

I recently had the opportunity to spar a friend of mine in boxing.

Here's a little background:

My friend was an extremely good boxer, and I did this at a sleepover with about 10 other guys. Before this, ALL of my friend were saying theat martial arts were worthless in a fight and that its all mysticism and that boxing was REAL fighting. The guy jabbed me about twice after which i ducked and when he tried to hook me I pak-saud his right arm and vertical fisted him in the chest. Round two he jabbed and hooked the whole time and all I did was evaid, one Thai kick brought him to the ground. You've gotta be able to utilize ALL of your weapons!

[sercuerdas]

arms of thor
I just switched from conventional to south paw, could you please elaborate on dealing with the round kick. I seem to eat a lot to the groin. should i front kick with the front or rear leg? and will jabbing hard and circling right help?
thanx...

[Tom Yum]

Originally posted by Arms_Of_Thor
Mosley wouldnt be where he is now fighting like tyson.

Excellent point. Boxers have their own styles and sometimes one style is good at overcoming another i.e Byrd vs. Hollyfield, Sanders vs. Klitschko

[Arms_Of_Thor]

What I am saying is that yo need to find your own style that work for you and your own techniques. or example Im a southaw and when I see a thai players leg assault coming I can stuff the kick, or a steep kick to the gut. Mosley wouldnt be where he is now fighting like tyson.