wing chun centre line punch

[kid_chocolate]

re:Tai-gip

i spent four years full time on wc ruffly 12 hours per day meaning all i did was eat drink do wc

Uh huh

when you do the shil lim tao view everymove as a penetrating strike blocking on the way

No, wrong

the nasty bits is the shil lim tao look at tan sao straight through your centre line at the attackers eyes/throat can be used to block any upper body strike but you do need to move your feet same for the other blocks

Sil lum tao has nothing to do with applications at all. Its just about teaching the proper (very basic) movement patterns an structure of wing chun along with the basics of power generation. You need the second form before you can even move at all or get any movement behing your hits. Even then the dummy form is essential for real applicability. The bil-jee form is something for later and you shouldn't have been worrying about such things at your stage.

You focus constantly on movement sequences and pre-planned solutions to problems in what you have said. That is the opposite to real wing chun which is all about feeling and improvisation gained through chi sau.

do you know the shil lim tao thai bri ?

Do you? Or did you waste time interpreting what you thought wing chun was about. Sil lum tao is nothing and everything. Very basic yet profound too. Nothing to be proud of as everyone with a couple of months wc will "know" it. Maybe you should start again?

[Thai Bri]

choylifutrocks -by the term "2nd knuckles" I mean this.

Make a fist. Look at the knuckles, all four of them. In my terminology, these are all the 1st knuckles.

Now look further down the fingers, at the next joint of each one. These are the "2nd knuckles", does that make sense?

To expose them, stike with a horizontal fist, and bend the wrist back a little. And, like I said, don't hold your thumb under the fingers. Press the tip of the thumb into the index finger.


I don't look upon my time in WC as "wasted". I enjoyed learning about their concepts. It certainly took me on from the linear Karate I ahd previously studied. But, in the end, I think WC tries too hard, and ends up producing concepts that are just too clever to be practical.

[kid_chocolate]

re

I didn't mean you Thai Bri, I was aiming the whole post at Tai-gip because he came on very hard with the wing chum master stuff, when in actual fact he couldn't be further from one. I agree with what you have said about wc 100%

[Thai Bri]

I know that mate. No worries.

[Eddy]

TB, that actually sounds identical to the way we've learned strikes to the throat. Probably has some fancy name too Oh, by the way, hi all. My first post here, been following the forum for quite a while though. Thought i should try (for better or worse) to become a bit more active on the "discussions" here. wish me luck.

[Kosh]

Originally posted by Thai Bri
More is worse.

Have you heard of Hicks Law?

...as far as i am aware, that law only applies to concious thought and not reflax action.

I know alot of seperate moves but the are all context specific and happen as a reflex to a specific situation.

[Thai Bri]

Hi Eddy,

Which art was that? I've never seen the blow anywhere, and like to think it is my very own. But if someone else thought of it first I guess I'll have to put up with it!

Kosh - I am aware that Hicks Law has some kind of fancy scientific definition. Burt, when used in the concept of Martial Arts, it just means that the more techniques you have to choose from, the slower the choice will be. And that goes for subconcious choices, as well as concious ones.

[Eddy]

TB, the style i train in is an external vietnamese family style of Kung fu. as far as i know its a mix of several (mostly chinese) styles where the most effective (...or what the guy/guys who assembled them thought was most effective...) techniques were put together in this particuar style. dates back about 800 yrs.

I'm merely a beginner though, been training there for about three years.

All the striking we do (all with closed/"diamond" closed fist that is) is done with the thumb pressed against the side of the fingers (several reasons for that, but added support for the fingers and less risk of damaging the thumb is maybe the most obvious).

I've never really seen many who use the 2. knuckles except at the club. really don't know why. aside from linear striking they are great when used with hooks (if hooks are the right strike i'm thinking of.. ..need to refresh my english terminology.. ..you know, roundish kind of strike )


can't think straight anymore... time to go home i think.

oh, bye the way Bri, what do you train nowadays? seems like youve done a lot of different training during the years, but not much talk of what you do now..


cheerio.

[choylifutrocks]

Originally posted by Thai Bri
choylifutrocks -by the term "2nd knuckles" I mean this...

Ok, I think I know what you mean. Like the knuckles used in a leopard fist? E.G. There are three bones in your fingers with the exception of the thumb. So you're talking about the joint beween the first --first being closest to the palm-- and second bone right?

I think I have it right, b/c I just tried it with my hand, and yeah...it's shaped like a diamond. Cool.

It's cool how you get that 45 degree (about) angle on either side of your knuckle because that seems like it would parry the chin upward if the head begins to dip, overcoming the limitation of the fist. It seems like it'd work great. Was that 45 degree angle part of your design? If so, great idea. One question though. Is that angled wrist position hard on your wrist upon impact? Or, am I still doing something wrong?

About WC, I understand what you're saying about it being too clever to be practical. But I think it would be effective against the average person, who is an unskilled fighter. I mean, they do include a few elbows in their routine P.S. I don't take WC, nor do I think it's the coolest thing ever.

[IPON]

Originally posted by choylifutrocks

P.S. I don't take WC, nor do I think it's the coolest thing ever.

What a Choy Li Fut stylist doesn't think Wing Chun is the Ultimate.......Sir I will have to ask you come to Hong Kong and settle this fighting on a roof top like in the days of old LOL



Bri that is an interesting technique I think I have seen something slightly similar in HKD hands techniques the knuckle puch is similar but definately not the same. I will definately add to the arsenal.

[choylifutrocks]

Originally posted by IPON


What a Choy Li Fut stylist doesn't think Wing Chun is the Ultimate.......Sir I will have to ask you come to Hong Kong and settle this fighting on a roof top like in the days of old LOL

LOL, yeah, that scenario sounds kinda familiar, huh?

[Thai Bri]

Eddy - I train a version of World War 2 Combatives now. It has a very small syllabus of easily learnt yet brutal techniques. Martial Artists in the mid 20th Century pooled their knowledge, threw out all the techniques that were either shit, or too hard to learn/apply, and what was left became the basic course for the (then) newly formed British Commandos, as well as other allied units.

Choy - The wrist being bent back coupled with the upward angle of approach gets the strike nicely under the chin. Theres no need to real solid stability in the wrist. It isn't hitting on a heavy target (like the head or torso), only the throat, so it has to withstand much less recoil.

I don't train it on a heavy bag. I smack it into the throat of a Spar Pro, which is a pretty solid, anatomically correct head and torso type dummy. I've never even come near to straining my wrist, though I do tense up as much as I can on impact.

With a jolt and a drop step it can generate power over just a few inches. Cetainly enough to hurt in the old wind pipe.

[choylifutrocks]

Oh, I see...I'll have to practice that one

[Thai Bri]

That'll be $3,ooo. Thank you very much.

[choylifutrocks]

Originally posted by Thai Bri
That'll be $3,ooo. Thank you very much.

Not bad, I paid more for my yellow belt But now I can break a board. LOL.