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[Tom Yum]

Hello Tjang. What style of MA do you practice? Tell us more about the indonesian arts. I've seen a style called Pukalan Tjiminde that looks very impressive; I'm sure that's just the top of the iceburg.

How is life outside of Jalan Bukit Kaya?

[Tjang]

Dear All,
Again, I thank you for all your responds (and I will always do). All the “introductions” posted above do give me very little information, but they are really worthwhile to me. My next question: would you accept me as a new friend in your circle?

[Tjang]

Hi Tom Yum, nice to meet you here.

I first practiced Southern Style of Chinese martial art (with very strong stances and punches). My arms used to be black and blue, and I had to apply some herbal liquid (ciu) afterwards. We only practiced the forms and styles individually and with a partner (the movements were already planned).

Then I moved to karate. It was very hard at the beginning, as the stances were different and I had to be more mobile. “Kumite” was something new to me.

Later I studied Northern Style. This was what I learned the longest and the most. And my stances were comparably stronger than my peers (as I learned Southern Style earlier) and my punches were faster and more powerful (as I learned Karate). At the same time, the Sao-lin-chien was taught in the program, teaching the students to combat with joined hands (something like that).

At last, I learned Thai Ci, mostly the forms and a little bit for fighting.

Some people might think they are all a confusion.

As to Indonesian style of Cimande (or Tjimande), it is said to originate from the Chinese Southern Style brought to Indonesian by a Chinese lady a long time ago and developed along the Cimande River. That is why it is well known for its “pukulan” (punches).

In Indonesia there is another famous style called Cikalong, characterized by it evading and locking the joints movements. Another famous style is Shah Bandar, with its typical low kicks, and taught originally on coastal areas. However, most (if not all) martial arts here originate from the Chinese martial arts, but very little written-records can prove this.

Does anyone in this forum have more information about those Indonesian “silat” (martial art)? Please share.

[IPON]

Originally posted by Tjang
Dear All,
My next question: would you accept me as a new friend in your circle?

Yes, welcome to the forum. Everyone is usually very friendly. We like to make jokes and share information, especially, Thai Bri who makes lots of jokes and shares little information

[Thai Bri]

Actually I am a Master of many arts but, as such, reserve the right to waste your time for a few years until I finally decide to share my vast knowledge.

I just let the odd snippet out, now and then, to keep you all interested.

[HuSanYan]

Originally posted by Thai Bri
I just let the odd snippet out, now and then, to keep you all interested.

but sir, do you do it as well as I??

HuSanYan votes himself to be a Mod

[krys]

Does anyone in this forum have more information about those Indonesian “silat” (martial art)? Please share.

Hello tjang,

My primary art is filipino silat (silat asli and the associated familly style).....
Actually my filipino GM traveled to the cimande village in Java and exchanged/shared techniques with their elders during one month...
It looks quite different from what is taught in the west, lot of sitting/ground fighting...
Our sitting\ground techniques are similar to cimande techniques....
My guro was also able to see the Serak style, which acording to him is a kind of Kuntao...

Before learning filipino silat I used to practice javanese Setia Hati Terare under the late GM H. Turpijn...
I also learned a bit malaysian silat (style of the bodyguards of the sultan of terrenganu, silat lincah and silat Gayong).

Just curious, why did you prefer to learn mainland chinese styles instead of indonesian-chinese kuntao?
Kuntao is supposed to be awesome....

All the best,
krys.

[IPON]

Originally posted by Thai Bri
I just let the odd snippet out, now and then, to keep you all interested.

Thai I was just joking. You actually provide quite a bit of info and whether agree or disagree you usually make people think. You humor is appreciated

[Thai Bri]

Well, it makes ME laugh.

[Szczepankiewicz]

You actually provide quite a bit of info

Yes, info, none of which is any good for anything...

He's already been banned from MDF. It's just a matter of time before his whinging butt is gone from here too.



Spankranium!

[Szczepankiewicz]

Well, it makes ME laugh.

Aye, then don't stand in front of the mirror nekked then!

[BlackMaskX]

IMA

"Does anyone in this forum have more information about those Indonesian “silat” (martial art)? Please share."

Tjang,

Mike, who I think goes by the name "Sikal" on this forum, is an IMA/FMA practitioner. He's probably your go-to guy for all things Indonesian and Filipino.

Note: The 'I' in "IMA" here means "Indonesian," not "internal." Thought that was pretty clear, but just making sure . . .

[choylifutrocks]

Originally posted by Thai Bri
Well, it makes ME laugh.

We're all glad you crack yourself up. We're just waiting for the day when you can do the same for us. j/k

[choylifutrocks]

Originally posted by Szczepankiewicz


I know of several sheep who would beg to differ on that point.

Spanky

LOLOLOL... I didn't know this was a beastiality forum? Oh well, next time Little Bo Peep loses her sheep I know where to send her.

[Tjang]

Hi Krys,

I’d like to answer your questions “why did you prefer to learn mainland Chinese styles instead of Indonesian-Chinese kun-tao?” But once again I think I become doubtful whether we have the same (correct or mistaken) ideas and understanding about some of the terminology.

What do you mean by “mainland Chinese style”? Is it the “wushu” that athletes do in international competitions? And what is “Indonesian-Chinese kun-tao”?

Okay. Let me try. Long time ago (I don’t know when exactly) a MA master came to Indonesia and began to teach here. His name was Master Chi Siau Fu(?). One of his students (Master Lu) taught MA in some kind of club-house, and one of Mr Lu’s students was my teacher. So I am not sure if I learned mainland Chinese style or Indonesian-Chinese kun-tao. (Also, people here have, in the course of time, used different terms like kun-tao (not much heard now), kung-fu, silat and lately wushu to refer to any Chinese martial arts. Many people have not been aware that there are so many different styles either in the Chinese MA).

The first art I studied, in a recidential house, was called "kun-tao" by many people of that era here. It was the southern (or Hokkien province) style of pure Chinese MA, called kau-kun (some people said it was some kind of monkey style, but I did not notice monkey movements in it).

Why did I start studying “kung-fu”? Because my kung-fu teacher was my former karate teacher. Why did I start studying kareate? Because at that time I thought studying kun-tao took too much time but too little progress. I was still very young, and I had to spend so much time only to practice firm stances, to practice punches, etc. “When will I learn to fight (DIFEND MYSELF), I thought,” as a very young boy.

I still think that kun-tao, kung-fu, wu-shu, etc. refer to the same thing, i.e. chinese MA. But kun-tao was more of a dialect, kung-fu was a term popularized by Bruce Lee, and wu-shu is a more Chinese national and (later) international term. Chinese MA has a lot of different styles (originating from different areas, clans, "ryu", etc.) such as Shao Lin, Wu Tang, Yung Chuen, Chay Li Fu, etc. Now, if I go on, I am afraid to make mistakes because I am not a researcher, and because those styles may have blend themselves some where, some place, some times, and some how. I had better stop here, and wait for somebody who is more-well-informed to throw light on this matter.

Krys, and all of you who have accepted me as a new friend: Good luck and keep “lien-si” (practicing), from: Tjang.

PS: my special regards go to Choy and Huey.