mixing Wing Chun and Boxing?

[Seismic Anamoly]

the "Anti-Grappling" thing lays between good idea and poor marketing ploy. If you stick to your "arts" principle (Provided its a princible based art), you should be able to deal with anything regardless of style. I know, I'll have dissenters on that view, but it seems to work for many.

As far as the original question goes of mixing boxing and WC/WT, i would say its risky since both work off different principles that conflict. Why create a concotion of water and oil when you can have one of pure water or oil? Pure boxing and pure wing chun works for what they were intended to do. Keep it simple and efficient.


-SA

[T-3]

It may not knock out a tougher guy in a single hit like one of tyson's hits, but it's not trying to either.

Then what's the point? If the one punch is not meant to do "damage" then why bother? What's the intent? If the boxer has the capacity to defend against the single hit and counter with a barrage of punches, who is doing more damage?

[Tom Yum]

wing chun + boxing ????

An interesting combination.

My interpretation - The hybrid fighter would assume a modified boxing stance & boxers footwork for its mobility; legs a little closer together than a regular boxers stance so that his rear hand is more forward and able to trap.

He would use wc chain punching and straight blasts as his bread and butter, but be able to explode hooks and uppercuts as he closes the gap. He would also use thrusting fingers as a long distance tool (instead of jab) and low snapping/thrusting kicks.

Instead of moving straight in and out like a wc guy and risk a good counterpuncher, he would be able to slip and get the angle like a boxer and finish with wc style elbows on the inside.

His style would likely resemble Bruce Lee's JKD

[kcigam]

It may not knock out a tougher guy in a single hit like one of tyson's hits, but it's not trying to either.

Then what's the point? If the one punch is not meant to do "damage" then why bother? What's the intent? If the boxer has the capacity to defend against the single hit and counter with a barrage of punches, who is doing more damage?

I'm not sure what you meant by that. The WT punch is never/hardly ever delivered alone, but usually as a series of punches and occasionally simultaneously with one or more attacks. I would argue that the combinations in WT are faster to execute than those in boxing.

I didn't say the punches were non-damaging, and there is definitely a point to punches that don't attempt to knock the opponent out. If there wasn't, then there would be no jab in boxing. Not all fights end in one hit. If you can start a series of (key word -->) hard chain punches on an opponent, you can usually overwhelm them and force them into retreating or at least just defending, at which point you can either continue what you are doing or you can change your offense to something else, like knee/groin kicks.

[Mark-Masters]

Wong Shung Leung....

Used To Be A Boxer Before He Was A Wing Chun Practioner, And He Became One Of The Best Masters Ever.

[bbbb]

Did Sugar Ray Leonard, or some famous dude like that , use the Wing Arm or what!!?
(where did I read that?!!!!).

[T-3]

Thai, you're a practical to-the-point kind of guy and I like that It has been done in practise because I've seen it and even done it once. Granted I can't provide evidence of this short of getting the poor sap who was on the receiving end to join this forum, but I don't think that's happening

Don't get me wrong, the boxer's punch is formulated to knock a guy out and there's plenty of footage to back that up. The thing is that there are a lot of WT students who don't care about how they throw a punch, they just want to look like Emin and throw 1 million/sec and it ends up looking like a slapfest rather than a chain of serious damaging punches. Those punches wouldn't hurt a fly, but one fully extended WT punch has enough power that it needs. It may not knock out a tougher guy in a single hit like one of tyson's hits, but it's not trying to either.

This is what you stated: "one fully extended WT punch..." That is why I made reference to the "one punch." If the "one punch" isn't trying to knock the guy out, then what is it's purpose? I understand that most arts wouldn't throw just one hit and that most fights don't end in one hit either. Jabs are used to set up and judge distance; however, there is a "powe" straight jab that can take a person off of their feet if executed correctly. I was just trying to figure out the point you were making in that statement.

[Tameo]

Instead of moving straight in and out like a wc guy and risk a good counterpuncher, he would be able to slip and get the angle like a boxer and finish with wc style elbows on the inside.

His style would likely resemble Bruce Lee's JKD

In Wing Chun you do not move straight in and out... you attack the blind side and always try to sidestep if you meet to much force... boxers are the ones who move linear compared to TWC.

[Boxing Master]

Boxing and Wing Chun combination

As a practitioner of Western Boxing, and a fan of several Kung Fu styles(Wing Chun is my second favorite only to Shaolin KF), I would have to say that in some aspects it could be done, as with Bruce Lee's inte of the two in Jeet Kune Do.

On the aspects of the usefulness of Boxing punches without gloves is somewhat of an ignorant statement. Boxers generate alot of power when they punch, due to the matter of physics of the body movement from the hip and the follow through of the rest of the body into the punch upon contact. A Boxer can be extremely dangerous in a self defense situation, as I have said before in the Boxing Discussion forums, if he knows HOW TO BOX! The problem is Boxing is usually not either taught, or practiced in its' entirety. Many Boxers are programmed due to their training to fight only one way, which to me is the main weakness of Boxing, not in technique, but in practice. Boxing is far more than just throwing fists and hoping to connect, it is a initially simplistic, yet profoundly complex fighting style based on concept of action/reaction using various fist strikes from various angles(and taught in it's entirety for street self defense with elbow, forearm, shoulder strikes and head butts), quick and elusive footwork, body and versatile and adaptive strategies. A decent Boxer could make quick work of an opponent in a street fight if he does not have great power but decent combination skills. A Boxer with great power, like Mike Tyson, George Foreman, could be classified as a living weapon, who could kill a person with his fists.

Wing Chun is a quick and useful short range style(Especially for women from what I have read), especially powerful on counter attacks and trapping techniques(Sticking Hands). Since both use alot of hand, body, and foot movements, the integration of them completely could create devastating hybrid style at close range in either a self defense, or competitive situation.

The main problem would probably consist with the forms of Wing Chun. Boxing is a formless fighting style. Many of the techniques of Wing Chun are done in specific stances, or forms, while Boxing techniques are more . If the two could meet half way, or Wing Chun techniques be adapted to a Boxer's stance, the concoction of the combinations, blocks, and footwork of Boxing, with Wing Chun's strikes, counter attacks, and trapping techniques could be awesome and a force to be reckoned with by any martial art.

[ddrive]

In Wing Chun you do not move straight in and out... you attack the blind side and always try to sidestep if you meet to much force... boxers are the ones who move linear compared to TWC.

From my training in Wing Chun, you can attack from the inside and outside, but it's safer to attack from the outside to avoid an opponents second hand. Hopefully less than a year from now I will be competing in NHB competition so you all can see my wing chun boxing / grappling in action.. Wish me luck!

[krys]

The main problem would probably consist with the forms of Wing Chun. Boxing is a formless fighting style. Many of the techniques of Wing Chun are done in specific stances, or forms, while Boxing techniques are more .

The are many aspects in the forms.... the forms teach a few techniques, ideas-principles, they also build up your body and developp usefull skills. Forms are only training tools, you are not supposed to fight using exactly the techniques of the forms. That won't probably work....

Some of the techniques of the forms are ideal techniques... this doesn't mean they won't work if you don't apply them exactly that way.... sparring and chi sao will teach that...

other are techniques that allow you to recover if you commit mistakes during a fight.... that means you shouldn't use these techniques in the first place!

Our school offers wing chun and san-shou classes and mixing both arts works quite well....

[Tom Yum]

In Wing Chun you do not move straight in and out... you attack the blind side and always try to sidestep if you meet to much force... boxers are the ones who move linear compared to TWC.

Boxing isn't about force against force either. Once you slip in initial jab or cross you slide in deep to get the angle (blind side).

Faking, stophits etc are also common boxing tricks.

Just as there are 1,000 of interpretations of wc, there are 1,000 of different fighters.

[T-3]

In Wing Chun you do not move straight in and out... you attack the blind side and always try to sidestep if you meet to much force... boxers are the ones who move linear compared to TWC.

Wondering if you actually do box? If so, you must seriously suck! Ever heard of "lateral" footwork - quite common in the sport of boxing.

[Thai Bri]

Everyone often quotes Bruce Lee when they try to say Wing Chun is a great art.

You know the guy. He's the one who gave up WC and incorporated Boxing..........

[T-3]

Everyone often quotes Bruce Lee when they try to say Wing Chun is a great art.

You know the guy. He's the one who gave up WC and incorporated Boxing..........

RIGHT ON BROTHER! Bruce knew what was up! Apparently so do you!