mixing Wing Chun and Boxing?

[samekh]

I think the problem is that wing chun is a traditional marrtial art. It requires dedication. A person who masters the techniques would disprove anything in boxing. Boxing is blow for blow fih=ghting. You said boxing has fluid punches. One of the basic principles of wing chun is to be fluid. If you see a wingchunist who is not fluid, he is not very good at it. I fought a golden gloves champion. I won because he could not adapt to the close quarter. Boxing did not seeem very fluid to me.

[Oraenor]

I think the problem is that wing chun is a traditional marrtial art. It requires dedication. A person who masters the techniques would disprove anything in boxing. Boxing is blow for blow fih=ghting. You said boxing has fluid punches. One of the basic principles of wing chun is to be fluid. If you see a wingchunist who is not fluid, he is not very good at it. I fought a golden gloves champion. I won because he could not adapt to the close quarter. Boxing did not seeem very fluid to me.

Also it would break every WC combat ideas to mix it with boxing- WC preserves centerline by restricting punches so the shoulder doesnt move. WC conserves energy quite opposite to boxers hopping around. WC's vertical fists are designed for pinning, and boxers horizontal fist is for striking.

[samekh]

Wing Chun is an elegant and intelligent system. Boxing is too brauny. Wing chun requires much more work to master.

[Tom Yum]

I fought a golden gloves champion. I won because he could not adapt to the close quarter. Boxing did not seeem very fluid to me.

I doubt that you fought a golden gloves champion and beat him

Yeah, boxing has no infighting game....hehehhahaHAHAHBWAHAHAHA!

I'll turn the sarcasm off and say that no doubt, there are some amazing wing chun fighters out there, some who are lightning quick and have awesome sensitivity. It seems like some schools are getting more into modern training methods as well - kudos.

But where are the wingchun MMA fighters? Seriously? You can't say that biu gee makes the entire art of wingchun. Wingchun has a fundamental skill set that could be used in an MMA style tournament - low kicks, punching, hammer fists, kneeing, sweeping, trapping, blocking, footwork etc.

Where are they? I'm not doubting the system; just wondering why they aren't producing fighters. Think about the potential if a wing chun fighter made a name for himself in the MMA game. That would probably shatter the perception that traditional martial arts are ineffective.....but it has to happen first.

[yipmanfan]

First of all, none of us have any way of knowing if what samekh is true. I agree with you there. But you say it in a manner like no wing chun fighter could beat a boxer. One point samekh made that is correct is that boxing is brauny. The in fighting in wing chun could negate boxings ingame any day(considering that both fighters were masters of their system). Boxing leaves the centerline far too often to pose a challenge for an adept wing chun fighter.

[yipmanfan]

First of all, none of us have any way of knowing if what samekh is true. I agree with you there. But you say it in a manner like no wing chun fighter could beat a boxer. One point samekh made that is correct is that boxing is brauny. The in fighting in wing chun could negate boxings ingame any day(considering that both fighters were masters of their system). Boxing leaves the centerline far too often to pose a challenge for an adept wing chun fighter.

[Tom Yum]

But you say it in a manner like no wing chun fighter could beat a boxer. One point samekh made that is correct is that boxing is brauny. The in fighting in wing chun could negate boxings ingame any day(considering that both fighters were masters of their system). Boxing leaves the centerline far too often to pose a challenge for an adept wing chun fighter.

Boxing is brauny compared to wingchun, but the art of boxing itself relies on speed just as much as wingchun; timing too.

About the boxer vs. wingchun, I think a wing chun guy could win - but the public will never see it, unless some guy gets into K-1 or MMA, has awesome skill and conditioning and shows what wing chun fighting is about.
So far, the wing chun guys that have entered the UFC were pure wc fighters (no boxing/muay thai/grappling background) and got submitted rather quickly.

About the centerline, yeah its open but I could easily say that the wingchun stance is too upright and weak on defending circular punches upstairs and down stairs. Why would that concern anyone? Not that hooks/uppercuts have any bodyweight or power behind them. Remember, there's a difference between a hook and a haymaker

One swings the arm across the chest and the other is short, crisp and powered by leg/hip/lat action.

[krys]

Also it would break every WC combat ideas to mix it with boxing-

That's funny, Bruce Lee mixed boxing with wing chun and it worked well for him...
My wc instructor is an undefeated golden glove (british army), he teaches us boxing in his sanshou classes classes, bounced for 15 years and was 4 times british open cma full contact champion. Mixing both arts worked very well for him ...In combat you use what works, if you can't adapt and change your game according to the situation you'll end up bleeding on the floor....

WC's vertical fists are designed for pinning, and boxers horizontal fist is for striking.

really .

Boxing master, the forms teach principles, build up your body and contain a few techniques... the wc techniques don't require to be executed like in the forms....The techniques shown in the forms are ideal techniques, this doesn't mean they wouldn't work if you don't respect all the points during a combat. Real fighting is messy....

[holyman]

I think u lie, because boxers and mai tai fighters can beat wc guys

I think the problem is that wing chun is a traditional marrtial art. It requires dedication. A person who masters the techniques would disprove anything in boxing. Boxing is blow for blow fih=ghting. You said boxing has fluid punches. One of the basic principles of wing chun is to be fluid. If you see a wingchunist who is not fluid, he is not very good at it. I fought a golden gloves champion. I won because he could not adapt to the close quarter. Boxing did not seeem very fluid to me.

[yipmanfan]

as you get deeper into wing chun... you learn to be circular as well as linear. Please understand me. I am talking about a master level, not joe schmoe "I practice twice a week"

[yipmanfan]

Bruce Lee is a bad example, he was a big fish in America, not in china. But I agree with you about the "whatever works in combat" philosophy. And I say this respectfully, your teacher would not be able to mix both unless he mastered both first. Am I correct?

[krys]

He mastered boxing first....He is a very good heavyweight boxer and one of Yp Cheng's top students. He also intends to compete in escrima at the next world championship in the Philippines next year and also knows how to combine wc with this art.

I believe it is better to master boxing first because it is faster to learn, builds up your physique and teaches you how to takes hits.... You also see what may be used against you in the street ... Yes wc becomes circular, it is useless if one intends to practice only 2 times a week...I try to practice wc~2 hours a day and even this is barely enough....

[yipmanfan]

Is he on the web at all? I would love to see your teacher in action.

[krys]

He has a website but there is no footage, the guy who maintains it really doesn't do his job properly. My sifu just returned from the WC conference in Hong Kong today. I'll try to ask him to have some clips put on the web, it would be good avertising...

One very interesting clip should be the final of the british cma full contact championship, at Wirall, in September 2003 (open weight division) when he demonstrates good use of short range power. He fights a very good kicker (Marck Strange, won 5 times the championship, also a good boxer)...Sifu actually gets kicked in the head and is loosing during the whole round...then suddenly he moves in, blocks a kick with a tan sau and then changes the tan into a punch. His opponent goes down for 2 minutes and looses....

[Rank7]

bruce lee mixed them
look into it

Jun fan gung fu??????