Has Anybody Here Received Instructions in Military Sanda?

[Rudolphuss]

From this description military sanda sounds like MMA. Has anybody experienced this style of sanda instead of civilian sanda we see in the rings/leitais?

http://www.judoinfo.com/books/faq3.htm

The Sanshou as practiced by the Chinese military is based on the
Chinese Art of War, physics, anatomy, bio-mechanics, and human
physiology. It is a complete system of realistic unarmed combat
covering the skills of striking, grappling, wrestling, groundfighting,
and weapon defenses taken from various Chinese and foreign martial
arts and hand-to-hand combat styles. It focuses on applying the
principles of combat rather than on techniques. The various
divisions of the military and police force have slight differences in
technique, but they all employ the same principles.

Military and civilian Sanshou training involves many punching,
kicking, grappling, wrestling, groundfighting, and weapon defense
drills with a partner. Contact sparring with protective gear is also
emphasized. This is where the different skills are blended together
into one fluid art. There are no forms or formal stances, and no
qigong exercises.

[Rudolphuss]

Thanks for the reply. I am just wondering, do you have any military experience, Hand2Hand?

I posted this because I am tired of reading people saying that "Sanda" is Muay Thai with throws. Sport Sanda might look like Muay Thai with throws, but real Sanda is a military system, not a sport. The objective of the military is to kill or incapacitate quickly, so I don't think we should judge Sanda by what we see in the ring with 100 pages of rules.

[Tom Yum]

San da

Rudolph, san da means free fight. Originally, it refers to the old raised platform matches where masters would challenge one another. It was school vs. school and style vs style. Their were many popular rivalries: wing chun vs. choy li fut vs. hung ga, shaolin vs. wutang.

They would try to either launch their opponent off the platform with sweeps or throws, throw them high and hard (head first) or overcome their opponents with strikes.

San shou is the ring style that looks like muay thai with throws. Literally san shou means free hand (not kong shou =karate) free as in no rules.

The only way anyone could know military san da is if they served on the People's Republic Army. Military san da as I understand it uses alot of styles qin na and shuai jiao.

[Tom Yum]

so i can beat the legally crap out of people.

go to law school.

[Gong Sau]

Try It

Thanks for the reply. I am just wondering, do you have any military experience, Hand2Hand?

I posted this because I am tired of reading people saying that "Sanda" is Muay Thai with throws. Sport Sanda might look like Muay Thai with throws, but real Sanda is a military system, not a sport. The objective of the military is to kill or incapacitate quickly, so I don't think we should judge Sanda by what we see in the ring with 100 pages of rules.

Call the Chinese Embassy and get a contact person to write to. Tell them you want to see their stuff in person. Who knows? If you pay your own way you might get to really do it. Pretty easy back and forth travel with China these days.

[spence.smith]

Actually you can put Sanda into 2 categories Military/Police and Civilian/Sport.
The rules of Sanshou are very similar to the rules that my school fights under, KuoShu. Fighting on the elevated Lei Tai (platform, no ropes), full-contact fighting that is broken up when it goes to the ground. Only difference that I can see is that KuoShu rules allow knees and elbows, as well as joint locks (although since the whistle is blown once a competitor goes to the ground, you never see it happen). Deliberate strikes to the back of the head and knees/groin/throat are not allowed.

[kyuss]

"I posted this because I am tired of reading people saying that "Sanda" is Muay Thai with throws. Sport Sanda might look like Muay Thai with throws, but real Sanda is a military system, not a sport. The objective of the military is to kill or incapacitate quickly, so I don't think we should judge Sanda by what we see in the ring with 100 pages of rules."""

Well muay thai as well has a military forerunner in its bare knuckle and military forerunners including lerd rit military muay. So it comes from a larger body of tradition.