Wing Chun or Shaolin?

[Tom Yum]

If you're talking about a fight with absolutely no rules, of course it will last a short time - everyone would be biting or gouging. Boxers/muay thai can fight dirty as well. Do you homework

Why not make a trip into a muay thai gym and sparr full contact with someone in your weight class?

[sherwinc]

To counter that STRAIGHT RIGHT JAW.....

"Now, using your Thai Boxing, what other options would you use in order to match the IRON PALM, THE 108 SCIENTIFIC HAND ATTACKS OF WINGCHUN, THE 1 AND A 3 INCH PUNCH, THE IRON BRIDGE HAND, AND ETC.?"

How about a straight right in the jaw? Especially since you all stick your chins out like idiots! Haw haw haw!

Get yourself in a Thai Boxing gym and find out for yourself. Mind you, looking at the mentality in this thread,

If you counter me using your Straight Right in my Jaw then you already loose your right arm. With a simple WuSau to your Right Elbow then you have one Left hand left and are you will again to loose your left hand?

How about 3 repetitions of Chain Punching simultaeneously inserting a low stomp kick forcefully to your knees?

Note:
You cant see my stomp kick cause you are concentrating on my chain punching and serve as a hand distraction making it invisible for you to see my oncoming stomp kick to your knee. But you are already hit many times of my chain punching to your head not to mention that you already loose your knee cause it did already hit it using my stomp kick.

Then do you have the guts, plan to hit me with your left hand? what would you use? hook or cross or uppercut or jab or straight again? is that all? ok, i will meet it using fook sau or outside taan sau while simultaenously a sun fist insertion to your groin? what would you do? no, you dont have to pray cause i did not break your left hand.

Note:
Do you know that WingChun does have an Iron Palm?
Do you know that WingChun does have an Iron Bridge hand?
Do you know that you have a Glass Head?
Do you know that WingChun is a Scientific In-Fighting?

Another Note:

SCIENTIFIC CALCULATOR is much better than a NORMAL CALCULATOR.
GAMES in PERSONAL IBM COMPUTER is much better than a SONY PLAYSTATION.
COLLEGE DEGREE LEVEL is much better than an ELEMENTARY LEVEL ACHIEVED.
BEAUTIFUL WOMAN, LONG STRAIGHT HAIR, CARING AND LOVES YOU MOST is much better than an UGLY STUPID NON-HEARTED WOMAN LOVES ONLY YOUR MONEY.

Another Note:
1. Which is stronger? The old ugly farmer or the big, huge carabao or cow?
answer: the farmer pulls the string attached to a carabao's nose making it the farmer is much stronger than a carabao.

now,

1. Which is stronger? Wingchun or Thai Boxing, Kick Boxing, Boxing?
answer: WingChun

[Thai Bri]

That is just so much horse shit. Thai Boxers can't beat Wing Chun in theory........ yeah, right. Its a bit like bees flying. They can't - in theory.

Self delusion like this is the hallmark of a cult. I worry for your sanity. Bil Jee is probably something worth having in all honesty. But thats about it.

It also tickles me to see you quote Bruce Lee. What did he do with his Wing Chun? Binned most of it and moved on to other arts - like Thai Boxing!

Haw haw haw!

[sherwinc]

Note:......

That is just so much horse shit. Thai Boxers can't beat Wing Chun in theory........ yeah, right. Its a bit like bees flying. They can't - in theory.

Self delusion like this is the hallmark of a cult. I worry for your sanity. Bil Jee is probably something worth having in all honesty. But thats about it.

It also tickles me to see you quote Bruce Lee. What did he do with his Wing Chun? Binned most of it and moved on to other arts - like Thai Boxing!

Haw haw haw!

Youre truely a narrow minded to be fooled by Bruce Lee, in fact... if you only engaged to study at least 2 kungfu systems you'll find out that even Bruce Lee fooled us narrow minded.

Do you know that Bruce Lee fooled us? When it comes to Movie style and props he said he used the art of Jeet Kune Do which is composed of all martial arts around the world but when in real fighting - he use kungfu especially WingChun, AngKa(arhats/lohan kungfu), Wushu, TaiChi(Wu Family Systems).

Even like me, i use to fool my sparring partner who knows the combination of Karate, Tae Kwondo and Jui Jitsu with a background of Kickboxing, - i use to fool him with my opening of TaiChiChuan, Angka and Five Animals(Wu Xing Quan) but instead when my hands meet his hands i fight him using the combination of WingChun, GoChoKun and ChiDianBun.

So you see? I fool him using all long distance kungfu fights but too late for him to know that i am in a short/ultra short distance rapid hand combinations.

For all Chinese Martial Arts KungFu believed that A FIST IS NOT A FIST, A FIST HAS 6 OR MORE APPLICATION IN A SINGLE ALPHABET OF FORM.

As what i said even in WingChun these 108 attacking alphabets multiply to 6 unique porpose of attack equals the total of 648 WORDS of unfamiliar attacks to you, too late for you to know cause you are already hit before you make plan of what attack you'll use.

I dont need power of hand attacks of 100tons to strike your eyes and adam's apple.

Here's a good lesson for you:
IF MUHAMMED ALI KNOWS WINGCHUN AND BRUCE LEE ALSO KNOWS WINGCHUN, THE WINNER IS MUHAMMED ALI.

Why?
BECAUSE MUHAMMED ALI KNOWS WINGCHUN AND IS BIGGER AND STRONGER THAN BRUCELEE

You still dont know what i mean?

if that WingChun 648 words to sentence hand attacks of Muhammed Ali strikes you, do you think that the hands of Muhammed Ali has no power?

If Muhammed Ali use wingchun to strike you adam's apple even no force(no gravity drop) of hand strike to your adam's apple your adam's apple is lost.

Note:
That is the reason why Chinese usually dont teach the kungfu to the Big Westerner cause if Muhammed Ali doesnt know boxing but he only knows wingchun he is one of the dangerous fighter mosts.

Now, how about if Muhammed Ali also knows Lohan KungFu? or GoCho(NgoChoKun)? or even TaiChi? Do you think you can fight him?

KUNGFU IS THE BEST, AND KUNGFU IS THE BEST.

[Tameo]

more wing chun clips

here are some Wing Chun clips http://johtzu.home.mindspring.com/kfc2.mpg http://johtzu.home.mindspring.com/kfc3.mpg http://johtzu.home.mindspring.com/kfc4.mpg http://johtzu.home.mindspring.com/kfc6.mpg http://johtzu.home.mindspring.com/kfc7.mpg

[Thai Bri]

Those clips are shocking. How can you put those up in an attempt to support WC?

Clip 1. The "defender" reacts to a haymaker BEFORE it is thrown (not set up........) and then puts the attacker in some improbable and very insecure arm lock. Awful.

Clip 2. The attacker makes a very half hearted attempt at "pawing", and then stands still whilst the defenders Straight Blasts.....badly.

Clip 3. Not dissimlar to clip 1, but different actors.

These were so bad. I'm embarrassed for you. And, as for your pseudo science, it is laughable. You are doing WC a disservice. Even I think it better than those clips show.

Awful awful awful! Haw haw haw!

[Tameo]

Yea the best ones are the ones with the guy and the punching bag and wooden dummy.

[Thai Bri]

And they are SHIT!

Man, you have got to be a WC hating troll. You have done the art a total disservice!

HAW HAW HAW!

[Tameo]

http://www.wingchuncalifornia.com/sifu_sword.mpg

[Tameo]

lmao shit that dude is a master and kicks anyone's ass

[ipscshooter]

http://www.wingchuncalifornia.com/sifu_sword.mpg

They had a better sword kata on "Xtreme Martial Arts" on the Discovery Channel...

[shadowkiller]

You prefer Thai Boxing and this is the negative side of your beloved art:

1. Thai Boxing have only 6 hand attacks. And most of the kicking attacks is the front push kick, the roundhouse kick and shit that's all? Very few options. I know all your attacks. I almost know all your combinations. Then i know how you fight using Thai Boxing. But in WingChung you dont know the application of fook sau, the taan sau and its totally 18 to 108. You know there are more that 6 application in a single alphabets, but WingChun has 108 alphabets times 6 or more application equals 648 devastating alphabets all in all. What the danger is you dont even know one of the 108 alphabets of it. What the Wingchun's advantage is WingChun are familiar to the 6 hand alphabets of Thai Boxing and its very few kicks. Before you can launch your Thai Boxing elbows and knees the WingChun practitioner already hit you 16 hand combination alphabets to your adam's apple. Now, how can u eat if your adam's apple is in pain? And not to mention the WingChun's Autopilot "ChiSau" that's like a glue ( WHEN YOUR HAND MEETS MY HAND, YOUR HAND IS ALREADY MY HAND ) do you know what i mean? Its the IRON BRIDGE HAND. Not to mention the WingChun IRON PALM and the famous 1 and a 3 inch punch to your chest.

How bout you take a look at this site and see the "six" hand attacks

http://www.muaythai.com/

seems to me that there are quite a few techniques there.

While maybe I can agree with you one point. While greatest Wing Chun practicioner would most likely beat the greatest MT practicioner the point is moot. It would take you all your life to learn even a fraction of Wing Chun. And anyone training just as long in MT will kick your ass. Yeah you might be able to block a MT round kick but that wont help you when your arm is broken.

[tai-gip]

why bother arguing it all comes down to how good the practitioner are....wing chun has some great moves but is weak against kicks because the best way to learn how to defend against something is to learn how to throw the attck and wing chun generaly only teaches kicks below the waist ...i trained with william cheung and i didnt think he was brilliant he had a bad attitude and was accused of sexual assualt on a few female students so not exactly what i would call a roll model ...but the art certainly has some good moves i sparred every instructor i could find in melbourne australia and didnt loose after learning wing chun due to the contsct reflexes but i dont consider it the ultimate

[Thai Bri]

Cheung did what? Haw haw haw! I wouldn't be surprised.

Shadowkiller - I seriously doubt that the best WC Master would beat the best Thai Boxer. But he might beat the worst one. If he got lucky......

I love that picture Tameo posted. Its ridiculous! Haw haw haw!

[tai-gip]

well thai bri to make you laugh he even apparently video taped himself showing female student "special" pressure points.. the police turned up to chat with him at least three times while i was a student of his and one of them was for beating his wife....... when he tried to get my girlfriend alone one time i drew the line ..had a bit of a punch on with him .... but gf,s family is not to be messed with so he is kinda scared of me know lol