Wing Chun or Shaolin?

[jubaji]

but in my opinion anyone who was realy good would actualy be teaching in china not another country

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[jubaji]

Im so very lucky because i have so many friends here who knows more on karate, kickboxing, boxing, aikido and all of them i beat them all using wingchun cause they have no time to attack but all of what they do is only defend. My only favorite things to do with most of my life is to sparred with my black belts friends and many here who knows non-chinese martial arts. But when i fight them they only defend by blocking, evading and having no time to launch an attack. When sparring they all surprise and ask me how many hands do you have? Cause i can hit them in any angles that they did not expected but most of my attacks it really hurts them. All of them cannot block and evade my WingChun, ChiDianBun, GoChoKun rapid hand attacks so what they do is to immediately run for a distance .

Oh, make it stop!

[jubaji]

If you counter me using your Straight Right in my Jaw then you already loose your right arm. With a simple WuSau to your Right Elbow then you have one Left hand left and are you will again to loose your left hand?

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[shadowkiller]

See what is funny about that is that the Thai boxers have dominated every competition that has gone between thailand and China. Well the newer San Shou people did beat them up this year. But I have yet to see a Wing chun specialist win or even compete against a Thai boxer.

Ok maybe you are right about the forearm thing(you arent but I will humour you) How does the WC specialist break the MT persons forearm when your kicks are showy nothings. Well you did hit me 3 times but I didnt feel them so its not like it matters. Now back to the forearm, how is the WC stronger then the MT? Is it because the MT forearm is conditioned through sparing and actually fighting? Cause you know I dont really see the WC being stronger since sparing is not such a big part of your art. Sorry if I am wrong here but show me a WC school that spars more or even close to the same amount that MT does and I will eat my words and call you master.

[Tameo]

I joined a wc school in LA and they spar every day and do full contact training and sparing

[sherwinc]

OK, here is the answer....

See what is funny about that is that the Thai boxers have dominated every competition that has gone between thailand and China. Well the newer San Shou people did beat them up this year. But I have yet to see a Wing chun specialist win or even compete against a Thai boxer.

Ok maybe you are right about the forearm thing(you arent but I will humour you) How does the WC specialist break the MT persons forearm when your kicks are showy nothings. Well you did hit me 3 times but I didnt feel them so its not like it matters. Now back to the forearm, how is the WC stronger then the MT? Is it because the MT forearm is conditioned through sparing and actually fighting? Cause you know I dont really see the WC being stronger since sparing is not such a big part of your art. Sorry if I am wrong here but show me a WC school that spars more or even close to the same amount that MT does and I will eat my words and call you master.

Well WingChun is well know for its Iron Bridge Forearm if it uses correctly to break the Shin Bone of the every Thai Boxer if this Iron Bridge Forearm use it correctly and not a force by force. What i did is since i have a background of TaiChiChuan, i did neutralize the right roundhouse kick of Thai Boxer by step aside using my TaiChi left hand to neutralize the shinbone while my right WingChun Hand simultaenously execute either WuSau or JumSau(sinking hand) to irom palm the kneecap while immediately TaiChi Right Shoulder Stroke to ThaiBoxer's chest and a follow-up of spinning backkick of AngKaKungFu. As soon as the opponent bounches 3meters backward i do an opening stance of TaiChi Pick up the needle from the sea bottom while preparing him to attack my WingChun or AngKa but it depends upon the intended next plan of attack of the Tai Boxer.

Note:
If you bounches 3 meters backward, you dont know nothing about the obstacles within your back - or you hit your back thru the corners of the wall or you may hit your back on the trunk of a tree making an added points to me.

I often did this to my sportsmanship minded sparring friends and sparring play friends who argue me using their Karate and Tae Kwon Do cause they too have hard shinbones. They cause they practice Tic Tay, for their shinbones to make it hard. Many of them Shorin Ryu Karate.

So you see?

for about 9 years of practicing i can manage to inter-change my art from TaiChi to WingChun to AngKa to ChiDianBun but all of them are in KungFu category since they are all unexpected and a system unfamiliar to an opponent. Maybe you see TaiChi and WingChun in Action but ChiDianBun, Go-ChoKun, AngKa is not.

For example:
1. GoCho KungFu with Chua TaiChi
2. Chi Dian Bun KungFu with Hik TaiChi
3. WingChun with Choy Li Fut
4. WingChun with Choy Li Fut with Yang TaiChi
5. etc, etc, etc.... at least all kungfu.

what i mean is you'll learn not only one style or system of kungfu but you'll learn 2 or more kungfu systems and it is very dangerous. One of them is in a SHORT RANGE FIGHT AND A LONG RANGE FIGHT SYSTEMS. Or, HARD SYSTEMS WITH A SOFT SYSTEMS PLUS A LONG RANGE even without HARD SYSTEMS.

The most important is, all systems you'll learn is all KungFu.

For me, experience in a sparring hurtfully with my sportsminded friends and unknown martial arts practitioners who wish to exchange knowledge is even better than how many winning fights in the ring tournament.

ring tournaments have plenty of rules and fouls and disqualification if you hit illegal.

That is the reason why only kungfu is not allowed in the ringtournament cause all of the attacks of kungfu is a foul to the referree's decision.

[jubaji]

That is the reason why only kungfu is not allowed in the ringtournament cause all of the attacks of kungfu is a foul to the referree's decision.

Well, thanks for clearing that up!

[BulletProofMonk]

Wing chun is renowned for in fighting man I would choose wing chun because u can deflect chi and strenght against your enemy where as shalon takes long time to learn.

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[jules]

You know it's funny when WC people say "we can't use WC because it's too deadly, our eye attacks and nut kicks would not be allowed in competiton"... Well I have news for you. The MT that you see is a watered down version of the real thing that the Thai police and army uses. All styles (if they are sound) can give up eye gouges and nut kicks. If the only defence you have is "we can't poke eyes and kick nuts" then there is nothing special about your art.

[tai-gip]

in fairnes jules most of wing chun is nut kicks and eye gouges..you wouldnt be using wing chun to finght in a comp,,,, though technicaly you could you the mearly defensive applications of the moves without the stikes and use a fist instead of fingers ..ive been in a couple of full contact tournements (though i have trained for a couple of years in different styles) and the only thing they realy seem not to score is the roll punch because in wc you dont punch with a ki ai so they ignore it ..kind of a pain in the arse...if you want into the tournement you essentialy nead to fight karate rules ...pretty crappy.... but no excuse for wing chun not to be in there

and good old william is a bit of a nut in a class where he was teaching advanced techniques to instructors ine instructor asked "but what happens if they do this?" willaim answered "what about this what about that what about the nucular bomb" screaming it out at the guy.... another time i was trining with an italian instructor named stoyle and i kept pulling my tan out of his fook without him being able to react...he asked william what to do so willaim told him to try it on him ..he did and william palm striked him in the chest and roll punched him three times in the head....he then asked me to try so i removed my tan damn quick and gave him a big cheesy grin so he started to attack me i blocked the first three without knowing what the hell was going on purly as a matter on survival instinct then thought "what the **** is happening" and when i blinked all i could see and feel was a blur of hands hitting me in the chest///

[Tameo]

Wich system goes best with WC?

[Thai Bri]

I like the guy qwho learned WC form a book yet still manages to kick everyones ass with it.........

Haw haw haw!

[BulletProofMonk]

If u learn to project chi through your hands combine this with an internal art like wing chun and u are a deadly weapon.

Wich system goes best with WC?

[swan104]

This thread sounds more like an old Hong Kong Kung Fu film...

[DUBBED INTO ENGLISH] "Your Thai boxing is no match for my Chi Powered Wing Chun!" etc etc

Can I complicate matters and bring Ninjas into the equation? Whats stronger? Ninja Chi or Wing Chun Chi?

[sherwinc]

correction......

I like the guy qwho learned WC form a book yet still manages to kick everyones ass with it.........

Haw haw haw!

You can learn and understand and apply to sparr and fight using the code of of WingChun if you have a background of KungFu systems which is ChiDianBun or Go-Cho KungFu. Other KungFu systems or styles previously learn can help too to understand wingchun using Books, plus some info on wingchun magazines and wingchun internet webpages.

It is recommeded that you have a background of KungFu which is not a Fake!!! in order to learn another kungfu systems thru books only. Since most of the kungfu school here in our country is FAKE..... i am lucky to have a Chinese KungFu Instructor.

since my purpose of it is only an extension alphabets of hand attacks.

NOTE:
you cannot learn wingchun from books or any references if your background is Karate, Kick Boxing, Thai Boxing, Boxing, Aikido, Tang Soo Do or any non-Chinese Martial Arts.

and if you can apply most of your wingchun attacks hurtfully to your opponent and making him no time to launch his plan of attack, cause he always defend then your in the right path of learning. If you cant apply those alphabets learn they why continue learning that system or style? its such a waste of time, effort and money and food make you hungry and thirst for nothing was applied.