Wing Chun or Wing Tsun?

[Hot Sauce]

p.s i train Wing tsun and the only difference is that i its walled wing tsun because astudent of the buddhist nun ng mui (survivor of the sui lam monastery being burned to the ground) trained and passed her skills onto a female fighter called yim wing tsun hence the name of the kung fu style Wing Tsun, bruce lee trained wing tsun with master yip man before creating jeet kune do.

WingTsun is Leung Ting's linage of Wing Chun. The linage was "created" after the death of the late Yip Man, therefore Bruce Lee didn't traing WingTsun but Wing Chun. The myth about the buddhist nun is probably not true according to the book "Roots of WingTsun" by leung Ting and a long article on the Ving Tsun Museum website by some other sifu from another WC lineage

[Thai Bri]

Saucey Man.

Boxers train three basic blows. Straight, Hook and Uppercut (though there are variations of course). They also bob, weave and cover.

Now, add up all the WC punches, bil jee, knife hands.... elbows, knees and kicks...... and then ALL the many blocks and parries.......and all the variations of each of them.... And you have an art that does NOT train just a few techniques.

PS - apologies for Little Demon. She's only a baby and gets her info out of comics...

[LittleDemon]

WingTsun is Leung Ting's linage of Wing Chun. The linage was "created" after the death of the late Yip Man, therefore Bruce Lee didn't traing WingTsun but Wing Chun. The myth about the buddhist nun is probably not true according to the book "Roots of WingTsun" by leung Ting and a long article on the Ving Tsun Museum website by some other sifu from another WC lineage

what can i say i learn something new everyday!

[LittleDemon]

Chi Ball

I currently went and did a 4 week unduction course into Chi Ball it was great and i actually felt better relaxed and more focused, here are my notes on Chi Ball , it was also developed by an australian ballet dancer who decided to put lots of different methods to help her heal when she was sufferring from M.E

Here are my notes:



The Chi Ball Method's five main philosophies:

Traditional Chinese Medecine- for energy, internal health and balance.

Yoga- For strength and flexibility.

Pilates- for core stability, strength and control.

Feldenkrai Technique- for relaxation and effortless movement

Deep Relaxation and visualisation- for harmony, good health and wellbeing.

The Chi Ball Method's yin/Yang theory and the five elements or phases or energy is appreciated and expressed throughout the class format.

Wood/Fire Element- Energise and tone includes tai Chi, Chi Kung, and Chi Ball aerobic dance. Tai Chi and Chi Kung slowly moves the chi (rising yang). Chi ball aerobic dance releases tension and stiffness from the body and stirs the chi (radiant yang).

Fire/Earth Element- Deep breathing while in Yoga Postures creates strength, stability and flexibility and consolidates the chi (radiant yang and descending yin)

Earth Element- Body conditioning pilates exercises teach strength and stability of the spine and uses breathing to settle the chi (descending yang and rising yin).

Metal Element-Feldenkrais method brings awareness of the body's stiffness and holding patterns through simple repetitive and relaxing movements to calmand soften the chi (rising yin)

Water Element-Deep relaxation and meditiation brings the chi to it's lowest level (condensed yin) enabling the participant to experience their natural state of being, which is deeply relaxed, calm and peaceful.

There are my notes on Chi Ball,

Keep the Faith

Love Emma,

[bartjam]

http://www.masterbjjeu.com/media/vf4_nic.mpg

the clip shows two kickboxers/MT fighters. Has it anything to do with wingtsun??

[Hot Sauce]

Saucey Man.

Boxers train three basic blows. Straight, Hook and Uppercut (though there are variations of course). They also bob, weave and cover.

Now, add up all the WC punches, bil jee, knife hands.... elbows, knees and kicks...... and then ALL the many blocks and parries.......and all the variations of each of them.... And you have an art that does NOT train just a few techniques.

Boxers train techniques aginst other boxers. Therefore they don't need more techniques. Boxing is a sport with rules. If a Muay Thai boxers comes in the ring and hits the boxer with only low kicks, who will win? If the boxers have ony trained hand techniques and the muay thai boxers have only trained leg techniques then I would put all my money on the muay thai fighter.

WT has as much techniques that are required. We have three basics attacks , the straight, hooking and lifting punch (+ different variations like in boxing). Elbows and knees are used mostly in clinch/in-fight which boxing doesn't have. Kicks are use at long distance since kicks are longer than punches and are usually only used to close the gap to the opponent. We have only three kicks. The so called "blocks" is more deflecting techniques, we have three basics one, bong sau, pak sao and tan sao. So we train as few techniques as possible. That's how I see it anyway.

[Hot Sauce]

the clip shows two kickboxers/MT fighters. Has it anything to do with wingtsun??

Fight 5 Mixfight -85kg, Pro 2 x 5 min Nic K-Osei (DK) vs Marco Merodio (NL)

How do you know that? There were three fighters from the Martial Arts Alliance in the latest Viking Fight. One of them was Nic K-Osei. He is a WT practioner and a WT instructior if I I'm not mistaken. He has 1 TG so he has finished half of the whole WT concepts system. I think he trains at the WT center in Copenhagen. Anyway the video doesn't show "pure" WT cause there are rules in the Viking Fight. WT is basically just concepts thats why there are different interpetation of it. If you watch carefully he uses one or two vertical fist punches to knock out the other guy.

[bartjam]

Wing Chun (kung/gung fu) Wing Chun Kuen, Ving Tsun, Wing Tsun, Wing Tzun, etc. Yes there is slight philosophical variations but all are basically the same in thoery, forms, dummy and weapon techniques. Some instructors teach a hard and some softer it depends on the instructor.

actually, from my personal experience, there are differences even within EWTO (Leung Ting WT). Some teach chi-sau starting with a lot of forward pressure along with slow movements, separating 'poon sau' into 2 sequences. Others start teaching chi-sau insisting on relaxing the arms, loosesness, speed, both hands and more free.
Some teachers want you to quickly by-pass chain-punches to perform a throw or elbows/knees, others insist more on chain-punches (a flurry of).
Salih Avci (ex EWTO) insists also on groundfighting, whereas the typical german EWTO technician teaches almost no groundwork.
I think the best one is the one that... suits you. It's very important to practice against wallbags and pads and then to do scenario-training and sparring. Otherwise, WT becomes useless, and a full contact sport would be much better.

[Thai Bri]

Saucey - I know all that. But his blows will put the WC guy to sleep before your theories come to fruition. As for the Tha boxer? Well, who knows? At least they train properly! UNLIKE WING CHUN

[Hot Sauce]

Saucey - I know all that. But his blows will put the WC guy to sleep before your theories come to fruition. As for the Tha boxer? Well, who knows? At least they train properly! UNLIKE WING CHUN

So the boxer will knock the WT guy without any resistance whatsoever? A kick between the legs could stop any boxer. A front kick could keep the boxer from coming into range. A tan sau could also work as well as a pak sau. To defend against a boxer is one of the first things that we practise against and keep practising when we train in WingTsun. Do you even know how a WT training is like?

If you already decided what to believe then there is no point in discussing this. You write this and that but you don't write why you think that way. It's like claiming you are a lady without any real evidence.

A fast muay thai low kick will take down any boxer that has no defense against it.

[IPON]

Boxers train techniques aginst other boxers. Therefore they don't need more techniques. Boxing is a sport with rules

Umm no flame , but this sounds silly ALL sports have rules. wreslters/grapplers don't need hand skills becuase they are on the ground Kick boxer - kick so I guess opunching isn't that important.


I must say I have to agree with Bri, well at least support his opinion. If someone studied for one year of WC and after that went to 3 differnt instructors they have a right thier opinion.

What is happening - is that we are not being honest and perhaps somewhat hypocritical as this is why TKD is critisized.

WC guy: our style is great you just did not go to the right school

student: But I went to 12 schools

WC guy: Well go to 8 more schools you will find the right one

student: But what about the instructor

WC guy: well yeah those instructors are bad but the there are some that are good.

I am exaggerating slightly, but I do think we should stop being defensive about our style and more realistic.


just my 2 cents

[krys]

...........

[IPON]

WT is basically just concepts thats why there are different interpetation of it

WC is not just a bunch of concepts, while there is a conceptual "thinking" aspect. But that is no differnt than other MAs.

[IPON]

Boxers train three basic blows. Straight, Hook and Uppercut (though there are variations of course). They also bob, weave and cover.

Now, add up all the WC punches, bil jee, knife hands.... elbows, knees and kicks...... and then ALL the many blocks and parries.......and all the variations of each of them .... And you have an art that does NOT train just a few techniques.

Perhaps, but you can use the same agrument for any MA (MT, BJJ or any combatives, MMA etc) barring maybe the "alive" training issue, when you compare WC to other MAs the foundation is simplicity/economy. Could a boxer beat a WC stylist sure and that boxer could also beat Hungar, BJJ, MT, JudoEtc. If the boxer hit the grappler first KO, grappler get the shot goodbye. So it is a matter of hands boxer are solid with thier hands, but WC strikes are good as well and their are more weapons

[Hot Sauce]

Umm no flame , but this sounds silly ALL sports have rules. wreslters/grapplers don't need hand skills becuase they are on the ground Kick boxer - kick so I guess opunching isn't that important.

That's why you can't compare boxing with WC.

I must say I have to agree with Bri, well at least support his opinion. If someone studied for one year of WC and after that went to 3 differnt instructors they have a right thier opinion.

Again I have to say that you can not judge a whole style when you only trained with three instructors, that probably had the same teacher, from the same lineage. WC isn't just few lineages, it's a lot more. WC is the name of all WC linages in the world. Thai Bri has the right to judge the lineage he trained in, but not the rest.

I am exaggerating slightly, but I do think we should stop being defensive about our style and more realistic.

I have never said that WC is the best style and it can defeat all other styles. I'm just pointing out that you can't just say things like "his blows will put the WC guy to sleep", it's like saying that Boxers are better than WC practioners. And I do have the right to defend the style I am training.