Wing Chun - an overview of its training methods and effectiveness.

[Troll Virus]

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[Sanitarium]

Comparing WC to Muhammed Ali is a load of bollocks.

Why?

Because Ali/Tyson or whoever other world-class boxer people always use in their examples, have almost inhuman muscular strength. No matter WHAT art they were using, if they punched you in the face, you'd get KO'd within a very short space of time unless you had a boxer's delts/neck/head etc.

In a streetfight boxing will most probably always win, because of the sheer force boxer's punches have. All the trapping, grappling, blah blah, it's useless in the street when you're bursting with adrenaline and anxiety, you just need to hit hard, hit fast, and knock the enemy out as quick as possible. Do you really think you'd have the necessary coordination and concentration to trap a boxer's punch?

There is only so much technique can do, if you're facing someone like Tyson.
Blocks...lol...I think trying to block a tyson punch would break your arm. If WC doesn't train you to develop strong, fast arms, and non-nonsense fighting techniques like JKD, then yes it would 'lose' to boxing.

BUT

in the real world, away from monsters like tyson/ali, your boxing opponent in K1 or whatever isn't going to be anywhere near as strong as them. An evenly weight-matched opponent will probably not be able to punch [/b]that[/b] much harder than you, and using the right kicks, counters, footwork and stuff, you could probably beat a boxer with WC, because of boxing's limitations.

You don't have guns??????????? That is just plain silly. What do you do if the other guy has a gun? Do you use stun guns? Do you know there reasoning in not giving you guys guns?

Because it would just cause more gun deaths, as your country's crimerate shows.

[KungfuJeremy]

thanks for the insites on wing chun but every person has there own interests, qualities, tastes. Wing Chun might be an excellent art for some, while not for others, so don't bad mouth it just becuase you didnt understand it or didnt like it, the art won't work for everybody.



thanks for sharing your experiences and advices though.

[IronFist]

The techniques I took from WC was the Pakso and Bongso which I think are great for close range fighting.However WC falls over when it comes to grappling and ground fighting.

[guy incognito]

The techniques I took from WC was the Pakso and Bongso which I think are great for close range fighting.However WC falls over when it comes to grappling and ground fighting.

No pun intended eh!
Graplling will also fall down against a good long range fighter
Cross train
Do long,short and graplling styles
If you dont like WC dont do it
Unfortunatly i took nothing from WC but i gave it a go.
Boxing is good because they do it exactly the same for the ring or real fight

[sherwinc]

The techniques I took from WC was the Pakso and Bongso which I think are great for close range fighting.However WC falls over when it comes to grappling and ground fighting.

Why??? cause you only know one style/system of KungFu

Note:
when an opponent attempts to close the gap USE WINGCHUN
when the opponent attempts to grappling or ground fighting USE ALSO WINGCHUN

why????
you dont know how to use your wingchun

CONVINCED?????

[Thai Bri]

Hmmmm. Just re-read this. Please spot the incredible claims that Tameo has for Wing Chun. He made these claims ages ago but, in the last few weeks, now denounces the version of WC that he used to practice.

Dos that mean Tameo is a bull shitter?

Yes. It does......

[StealthMode]

Wing chun works, you just have to kno how to apply the techniques that you learned in your own way to make it effective. You gotta
hit the opponent with the techniques you know, where it hurts. The vertical punches will hurt if you throw it repeatly at a certain area of the body such as the chin or the face. and the parrying are very effective like you mentioned, and also they kick low and quick to certain areas of the legs, Wing Chun is good at wut it does which is striking ,though yea what is bad about wing chun is that they have no grappling.

Wing Chun is one of the kungfu styles that I kno that i find very effective. Are there other's out there though that are good?

by the way, how was shukokai karate,combatives and jujitsu? i haven't done those styles yet, tell me some stuff about it, especially combatives

[phenom]

im sorry to see all that training was providing very little result i have been doin wc for nearly four years and have aquired level ten its the traditional version although this could be argued but this system is great if you have an open mind to everything out there in the martial art world i have just started bjj and believe i can deal with a intermediate level of ground opposistion you have to have an fair understanding of the system before doors will open for ya

[Thai Bri]

You can deal with an "intermediate" level of grappler because of Wing Chun? I seriously doubt it my friend. , and certainly not under pure BJJ type rules. You'd get creamed, just like any other beginner in grappling.

Stealth, a very quick run down of the other arts would be this:-

Shukokai Karate - taught me to hit hard, but 95% of it was cack for real fighting. Silly blocks, pointless Katas and air punching.

Jiu Jitsu - this particular class was appalling. We "defended" against totally unrealistic "attacks" and, as we supposedly progressed, we merely did fancier defences. The attacker would step forwards, stick his arm out, and then hold still whilst we fannied about. Pure cack.

Combatives - much better. Some easy to perform moves that have potentially fatal effects. Not rocket science or mystical mumbo jumbo. Simple things like striking open handed under the jaw whilst stopping the guy from bending back, or chopping into the wind pipe etc. Not a complete system in my view, but some great stuff in there.

Hope that helps.

[phenom]

its obvious you didnt go to the right place for wc there is a majority of schools who believe wing chun takes years to master thats crap you can learn the while system in three to fours years dedicated training applying what you have learned to a real life situaton is up to your ability.the advanced tehniques i believe would fail on the streets but the basics yeah great alot of the techniques are drills to sharpen reflexes and stimulate muscle memory hope this has shed some light peace

[Thai Bri]

It seems to me that no one knows the right place for Wing Chun. They certainly haven't got much of a reputation in full contact or MMA type matches. Except, of course, the mysterious roof top challenges that are never verified.

[Tameo]

It seems to me that no one knows the right place for Wing Chun. They certainly haven't got much of a reputation in full contact or MMA type matches. Except, of course, the mysterious roof top challenges that are never verified.

Its pathetic watchin ufc or some of the mma matches were the fighters turn into brawlers as soon as they enter the ring, everything they learned, goes out the window and they just turn into sloppy brawlers who can only hit hard but have little technique.

[jubaji]

Its pathetic watchin ufc or some of the mma matches were the fighters turn into brawlers as soon as they enter the ring, everything they learned, goes out the window and they just turn into sloppy brawlers who can only hit hard but have little technique.

You mean that they actually fight? Shocking!

[Thai Bri]

Thats the issue Tameo. Real fioghting is ugly! Those beautiful and graceful moves do not stand up to the ferocity and chaos of a real go. Even MMA isn't as real as it gets of course. Throw in uneven and slippery floors, crowds, multiple attackers, weapons etc. etc. and it all ends up in one chaotic messy desperate fight for survival.

All the beauty is reserved for classes where everyone is following both written and unwritten rules, and people learn how to attack in methods that suit thei training partners.