William Cheung's Traditional Wing Chun

[Tameo]

I seriously doubt that. BTW you dont even need to know how to fight that well to kill someone so even if he did there is nothing impressive about it. Doent make him a better fighter or matrial artist.

[Yu Law]

Boztepe did wrestling and boxing at the time and he just pushed william cheung over because william cheung doesnt even know how to stand properly. How can you throw an effective punch or strike if you cant even stand? none of the guys from my kung-fu school under Sifu joe sayah could stand properly. Now i see that after being humiliated by beginners in another wing chun lineage. No root at all in gm cheung's lineage. He doesn't understand the concept.

what lineage r u doing? u have failed to mention it.

[Tameo]

what lineage r u doing? u have failed to mention it.

I do a combination of different lineages, one of them is Gary Lam the other Robert Chu. I still practice some William Cheung stuff but its mostly just for speed training and fancy stuff, at wrist range. I also do South Mantis (Amazing Teacher), some white lotus kung-fu and some boxing so i dont get thrown off their game. Also some other stuff my sifu is showing me from another system.

[Yu Law]

I do a combination of different lineages, one of them is Gary Lam the other Robert Chu. I still practice some William Cheung stuff but its mostly just for speed training and fancy stuff, at wrist range. I also do South Mantis (Amazing Teacher), some white lotus kung-fu and some boxing so i dont get thrown off their game. Also some other stuff my sifu is showing me from another system.

What's the main diff. btw Gary Lam. Robert Chu and William Cheung? I do know that a lot of the styles dont have footwork. TWC focuses mainly on the center line attacks and move back as well as forward.

[Tameo]

What's the main diff. btw Gary Lam. Robert Chu and William Cheung? I do know that a lot of the styles dont have footwork. TWC focuses mainly on the center line attacks and move back as well as forward.

Gar Lam and Chu find the center alot better than William cheung and are able to take the opponent's balance way better. They are alot more sticky in chi sao and have a much stronger root. They use their whole body especially Robert Chu. William Cheung just uses his hands. TWC footwork is not economical. There are no pivoting motions which are really usefull in many situations when you dont have time to lift your feet. TWC focuses to much on techniques but doesnt know how to use they whole body. The structures of many of the blocks are also weak in twc.

[Yu Law]

Gar Lam and Chu find the center alot better than William cheung and are able to take the opponent's balance way better. They are alot more sticky in chi sao and have a much stronger root. They use their whole body especially Robert Chu. William Cheung just uses his hands. TWC footwork is not economical. There are no pivoting motions which are really usefull in many situations when you dont have time to lift your feet. TWC focuses to much on techniques but doesnt know how to use they whole body. The structures of many of the blocks are also weak in twc.

How do they find the centerline better? Do Lam and Chu keep their feet flat on the ground while they move like most Wing Chun? B/c if u were to fight on grass or pavement, ive found it hard to pivot and slide my feet. I do kow that Chi-Sao is focused more in other lineages as opposed to TWC.

To go off topic a little, i was just watching Van Damme on TV and came across this question. Y do u think Wing Chun has never been exposed in movies or the media? Karate, Tae Kwon Doe and now Muay Thai r being used in most fighting movies whether they r martial arts or not. These arts are flashy with the feet, but i feel that Wing Chun has some very flashy tech. as well. Also, it is more economical than the other arts. If pple thought Seagal was cool with Aikido, they're definitely going to like WC.

IMO, Martial Arts films r on the decline, besides Jackie Chan's Rush Hour, they aren't overly popular. Jackie Chan and Jet Li's recent box office returns have barely been able to cover prodcution/marketing costs. Li, Chan, and Tony Jaa were mainly praised due to their stunts and acrobatics. Of course Jaa, Chan and Li had good fight scenes, but pple mainyl remeber Jackie Chan for his rooftop balcony jump from Rumble from the Bronx and Tony Jaa for his splits/slide under the jeep and him jumping and running off the shoudlers of his attackers. I think pple need to be introduced to a new martial art. Besides Tony Jaa, (who has done gymnastics), i think pple will be intrigued with WC if it were to be used exclusively in a movie. Wut u think?

[Tameo]

How do they find the centerline better? Do Lam and Chu keep their feet flat on the ground while they move like most Wing Chun? B/c if u were to fight on grass or pavement, ive found it hard to pivot and slide my feet. I do kow that Chi-Sao is focused more in other lineages as opposed to TWC.

To go off topic a little, i was just watching Van Damme on TV and came across this question. Y do u think Wing Chun has never been exposed in movies or the media? Karate, Tae Kwon Doe and now Muay Thai r being used in most fighting movies whether they r martial arts or not. These arts are flashy with the feet, but i feel that Wing Chun has some very flashy tech. as well. Also, it is more economical than the other arts. If pple thought Seagal was cool with Aikido, they're definitely going to like WC.

IMO, Martial Arts films r on the decline, besides Jackie Chan's Rush Hour, they aren't overly popular. Jackie Chan and Jet Li's recent box office returns have barely been able to cover prodcution/marketing costs. Li, Chan, and Tony Jaa were mainly praised due to their stunts and acrobatics. Of course Jaa, Chan and Li had good fight scenes, but pple mainyl remeber Jackie Chan for his rooftop balcony jump from Rumble from the Bronx and Tony Jaa for his splits/slide under the jeep and him jumping and running off the shoudlers of his attackers. I think pple need to be introduced to a new martial art. Besides Tony Jaa, (who has done gymnastics), i think pple will be intrigued with WC if it were to be used exclusively in a movie. Wut u think?

Sifu Joe Sayah used it in "Once upon a time in china and america"... wasnt really successfull. I dont do MA for how flashy they look but for how effective they are. Btw feet do not stay flat all the time in these lineages. It all depends on the circumstances and surface conditions. Sometimes its better to lift your feet sometimes its more economical to slide them or pivot in place. In TWC class with joe sayah we had chi sao 3 times a week in most other schools including these two lineages they do it every day.

[Yu Law]

Sifu Joe Sayah used it in "Once upon a time in china and america"... wasnt really successfull. I dont do MA for how flashy they look but for how effective they are. Btw feet do not stay flat all the time in these lineages. It all depends on the circumstances and surface conditions. Sometimes its better to lift your feet sometimes its more economical to slide them or pivot in place. In TWC class with joe sayah we had chi sao 3 times a week in most other schools including these two lineages they do it every day.

It's true what u say about the feet thing, sometimes it is better to pivot i have found in resrictive areas. Chi Sao is a very good tool to enhance reflexes but some lineages focus on it so much that they try to apply it in combat and they get beaten. I've heard that some of them jump in to a fight withtheir arms in the chi sao position.

As for learnign arts that r effective over flashy, i feel the same way, but don't u think that WC has cool moves also? Of course economical applications r the ones that work in REAL fights, but that is the case for ALL martial arts. Jet Li would never do a flyign spinning back kick in a fight. I really don't understand y WC has never been showcased in a movie as the main fighting form, when Aikido has. IMO aikido is very hard to watch on film, no tin a good way.

[Thai Bri]

Haw haw haw!

I haven't looked at this thread in ages! Its fookin HILARIOUS! that Tameo has done an about turn!

Tameo, you are either one of tow things:-

1 - The best troll on here convinced or

2 - The most stupid person I have ever known.

By the way, if it is the latter (I seriously suspect that it is), don't you owe me an apology for not listening to me all that time?

[Tameo]

Haw haw haw!

I haven't looked at this thread in ages! Its fookin HILARIOUS! that Tameo has done an about turn!

Tameo, you are either one of tow things:-

1 - The best troll on here convinced or

2 - The most stupid person I have ever known.

By the way, if it is the latter (I seriously suspect that it is), don't you owe me an apology for not listening to me all that time?

No the problem with you is you say all wing chun is crap, but thats not true.
Yea i thought TWC was the best at the time cause i was heavily brainwashed by my sifu, but now i see the other arts and now i know what is crap and what isnt. And as for trolls.. you are the biggest one on these forums so id stay quiet.

[Thai Bri]

No, I don't think I will stay quiet. You were heavily brainwashed, and still are. Its just that you are brainwashed by different people.

Now that is not a bad reflection on them. Maybe they are better than the nonsens Cheung espouses. It is a bad reflection on you, because you are still clearly NOT thinking for yourself.

My own view has developed over time (a quarter of a bleedin' century) as well as experience. All you do is find someone to follow.

You sir, are a sheep!

And still as big a WANKER as ever convinced! -

[Tameo]

No iv seen everythign for myself and made my own choices i could have went somewhere else. Im not brainwashed at all anymore i see the strengths and weaknesses of what i was doign and i see the strengths and weaknesses of what i do now. Before I thought only wing chun was good now my mined opened to other arts and i see that many ma have alot to offer not just wing chun or even kung-fu.

[Tameo]

And i dont follow anyone. I train with people who are good and there is nothing wrong with it so stop bsing.

[Tameo]

You act like a 10 year old, not like someone who is over quarter century. Youre nothing but talk. And stop saying "convinced" i aint sherwinc you dumb ass.

[Tameo]

If you call being brainwashed learning better ma's then i guess youve been learning shit your whole life.