William Cheung's Traditional Wing Chun

[jkdave62]

Thai Bri you sound like quite a disrespectful idiot, i am not an advocate of any one style or branch let alone any one fighter but you need to show some respect to the people that came before you.

[Tameo]

A few weeks ago I got out from class at my TWC school and on my way out I met a guy who was at the academy before but left about a year ago. He was always lots of help and I had heard he had 6 years boxing experience. I was at this time still thinking that TWC is the best system in the world, being brainwashed by my instructor who made fun of all the other systems and even other lineages of Wing Chun. So anyways this guy used to train hardcore every day sometimes more than 6 hours like me, and he tells me; we need to talk man! We go get something to eat and he shows me that most of what I’ve been learning is bs. He asks to see the structures of my blocks and guard and he demonstrates how none of my blocks can sustain any pressure, that I don’t have any root, that the way I do my blocks could cause serious damage to my shoulders (my shoulder joints were already clicking and hurting only after 2 years of training and I’m only 18!).He corrected my punch and showed me why the way I was punching would not hurt that much. He went on and on showing me and giving examples with physics principles why everything I was doing did not make sense. I discovered he is an instructor in 3 different kung-fu systems and he has many amateur boxing fights I believe about 30 fights 19 knockouts and only 1 loss. This was even before he knew all the other systems. So this guy was really well rounded in MA. He trained with Ken Shamrock and some jiu-jitsu people. In 2 days I made a call to my dojo and canceled my payment. I got 2 of my friends from the school to come with me and now we train with this guy almost day and the training is already a whole lot more realistic and effective. He teaches us how to use out whole body and not just the superficial techniques with nothing behind them which we learned at the previous school. He took me to his instructors some of which are Wing Chun Sifus and their skill is incomparable to my previous Sifu. This guy sought out the best possible instructors to make sure what he was learning wasn’t BS. I’m just kind of pissed I wasted 2 years on the BS TWC when I could have been learning something way better.

[Yu Law]

A few weeks ago I got out from class at my TWC school and on my way out I met a guy who was at the academy before but left about a year ago. He was always lots of help and I had heard he had 6 years boxing experience. I was at this time still thinking that TWC is the best system in the world, being brainwashed by my instructor who made fun of all the other systems and even other lineages of Wing Chun. So anyways this guy used to train hardcore every day sometimes more than 6 hours like me, and he tells me; we need to talk man! We go get something to eat and he shows me that most of what I’ve been learning is bs. He asks to see the structures of my blocks and guard and he demonstrates how none of my blocks can sustain any pressure, that I don’t have any root, that the way I do my blocks could cause serious damage to my shoulders (my shoulder joints were already clicking and hurting only after 2 years of training and I’m only 18!).He corrected my punch and showed me why the way I was punching would not hurt that much. He went on and on showing me and giving examples with physics principles why everything I was doing did not make sense. I discovered he is an instructor in 3 different kung-fu systems and he has many amateur boxing fights I believe about 30 fights 19 knockouts and only 1 loss. This was even before he knew all the other systems. So this guy was really well rounded in MA. He trained with Ken Shamrock and some jiu-jitsu people. In 2 days I made a call to my dojo and canceled my payment. I got 2 of my friends from the school to come with me and now we train with this guy almost day and the training is already a whole lot more realistic and effective. He teaches us how to use out whole body and not just the superficial techniques with nothing behind them which we learned at the previous school. He took me to his instructors some of which are Wing Chun Sifus and their skill is incomparable to my previous Sifu. This guy sought out the best possible instructors to make sure what he was learning wasn’t BS. I’m just kind of pissed I wasted 2 years on the BS TWC when I could have been learning something way better.

so wut r u learning now?

[Rogue Warrior]

Now, now guys not all should knock on Wing Chun because of some asshole made a mockery of the system I studied wing chun from 1993-1998. Now I learned under master Ron heimberger during this time and his linage goes all the way up to yip man just like any other who has learned this art. But thats just it. Everyone says that there linage is right under yip man! My Sifi studied under yip ching who is one of yip man's sons. He Yip ching is now the grand master of wing chun in the states as well as in hong kong. Now learning this style really helped with my hand speed sooooo much. And as many fights as I got into while I served in the U.S. NAVY it saved my but. Now im not going to go on about how kick ass! wing chun is to all other arts. Not at all! after coming back home from serving my the USA then started taking Muay thai. and before I studied wing chun I studied kempo and tae kwon do. Now Im one to say that you should keep on learning and not just keep with one art. These days people are moving to MMA (mixed martial arts) instead of you conventional martial arts schools. Take it this way...If doctors only learned to work on one illness instead of many different types. Then the doctor would be useless. Being verse in several martial arts would make you a well rounded person...and a well rounded fighter.

[Tameo]

so wut r u learning now?

boxing, good wing chun, and other kung-fu systems he knows. also he is a 3rd degree in juijitsu, trained with the gracies so he will be showing that stuff too and adding it to the arsenal

[gabbah]

Is there any good wing chun? If it's good, isn't it a lot more like boxing then? And the kicks a lot more like muay thai kicks?

[Tameo]

Is there any good wing chun? If it's good, isn't it a lot more like boxing then? And the kicks a lot more like muay thai kicks?

good wing chun focuses more on generating power from the body and ground, the front and side kicks are very powerfull and you hit with the heel. The round kick is like a muay thai round kick. They put constant pressure on the opponent and give him no room to perform techniques, includes kicking range, punching range, elbow range and body range

[gabbah]

Well that sounds a lot better than the wing chun I have seen in for example "Leung Ting's Dynamic Wing Chun", which just makes me rotfl...

But as I understand it, no type of wing chun had thai kicks in the system to begin with... so now they have added it and pretend it's still wing chun or what? Isn't that like taking a lot of stuff from boxing and thaiboxing and taking credit for it by calling it wing chun? I don't get how these things work.

I train in kickboxing, and it has western boxing and the kicks from muay thai, and as far as I know they are open about it. That is, when they created kickboxing, they said "ok, our style is boxing and muay thai kicks". So the credit still goes to boxing and muay thai in my opinion.
If I'm wrong, and they DID try to take credit for the muay thai kicks, as if they invented them, they should be punished!

[Tameo]

A mui thai round kick is an effective way to deliver a strike, as is a heel kick. Good wing chun focuses on delivering the most powerfull strikes possible by performing them with the whole body behind them.

[Tameo]

leung ting's wing chun is really shit in my opinion.

[seanyseanybean]

Hi

This is a really cool thread. But i have a couple of questions.

1, Earlier i saw someone mention Boztepe as a thai boxer who beat cheung, so i looked it up and it seems his main style is wing chun not muay thai?
Plus he has a steven segal pony tail in some pics

2, Whats the deal with Wing Chun then? I always thought there was no doubt that it one of the best SD systems around?? i'd never heard anybody dispute this until now so i'm a bit confused. Ive never studied it but i've always been impresses when i've seen it.

3, How different are the different types of Wing Chun??

[gabbah]

I have seen some Emin Bostepe instructional tapes, and to my eye it sucks as well. As far as I know he's a wing chun guy that pretends to be steven segal.
And I have seen other instructional tapes with people who do the exact same sort of wing chun, and to me it's plain comedy. Almost everything of it is totally lame, unrealistic and weak.

The wing chun Tameo is talking about doesn't sound anything like any of the wing chun I have seen. In fact, it sounds like kickboxing with added grappling or something. So I'm not sure why they call it wing chun. But it sounds ok at least.

[Rogue Warrior]

Wing chun has many linear movements in the system. The entire time that I studied I never saw any thai kicks in it. I saw several kicks but none that went away from kicking from the center line of the body. There was if I remember correctly a kicking form called the 8 kicks. Im not going to go into in detail but there were no thai kicks involved. Also TRUE wing chun does not included any boxing movements. The WC system does treach a different style of punching that other styles do not. The chain punch is an effective training tool. You wouldnt use this punching method for every attack but it does teach one to develop fast, fast, fast hand speed that a true wing chun practicioner shows while in attack mode. But I wont defend WC through and through. Ive ssen verteran WC practioners get their ass kicked in a street fight. Which goes to show you that its not that art but the person that studies the art that makes it effective.

[Hardball]

I love wing chun. It's a little complicated but I got to meet Grandmaster William Chueng in person at a chi sao/dim mak seminar. He is truly genuine and really in great physical shape. My Ex Sifu who is Part of G.M. Chueng's lineage is a true "Bad Ass"

[Yu Law]

Now, now guys not all should knock on Wing Chun because of some asshole made a mockery of the system I studied wing chun from 1993-1998. Now I learned under master Ron heimberger during this time and his linage goes all the way up to yip man just like any other who has learned this art. But thats just it. Everyone says that there linage is right under yip man! My Sifi studied under yip ching who is one of yip man's sons. He Yip ching is now the grand master of wing chun in the states as well as in hong kong. Now learning this style really helped with my hand speed sooooo much. And as many fights as I got into while I served in the U.S. NAVY it saved my but. Now im not going to go on about how kick ass! wing chun is to all other arts. Not at all! after coming back home from serving my the USA then started taking Muay thai. and before I studied wing chun I studied kempo and tae kwon do. Now Im one to say that you should keep on learning and not just keep with one art. These days people are moving to MMA (mixed martial arts) instead of you conventional martial arts schools. Take it this way...If doctors only learned to work on one illness instead of many different types. Then the doctor would be useless. Being verse in several martial arts would make you a well rounded person...and a well rounded fighter.

Well, i agree with u to some extent. It is always good to learn somethign new, and to know other lineages b/c ALL principles of martiral arts help each other.

Doctors need to know how to apply a certain surgery to a certain operation. They need to work on each illness differently. Fighting is diff. b/c u DONT have time to diff. btw. what your attacker is. Illnesses need to be taken care of in certain ways, u can't fix a broken arm by using your knowledge of open heart surgery, but u can defeat an opponent by usign your knowledge of tae kwon doe if u r good enuff.

It's true that every person fights diff. whether they are skilled or not, but is it always correct to wrestle a wrestler? Or how about kick with a muay thai guy? Being well versed in everything, means u r working on everything. Adaptation in fighting is not the same as in medicine. Even doctors sepcialize. There are foot doctors, heart surgeons, neural surgeons etc... B/c no one can be an expert in everything. Going to school we take multiple subjects, but MOST pple have favorite classes and by the time u hit Uni/college u have a major. It's good to have a well verse education, but focusing on 1 subject lets u concentrate all your efforts on thing.

When someone trains in multiple arts, they're good at a lot of thigns, but they're not the best. U know Muay Thai, WIng Chun, Tae Kwon Doe, but since u have jumped aorund so much there have been multiple Wing CHun, Tae Kwon Doe and Muay Thai guys that have surpassed u.

What i'm really tryign to say is that when you're in a fight u go back to instinct and what you've been training. If you've been training 10 diff. M.A.s what the hell r u gonna use? R u gonna use Karate b/c your opponent is in karate too? What if he's a black belt? Then your toast, b/c he has 1 thing in mind, to use his karate training to the fullest which is very skillful. On the other hand, someone who is training in wing chun, boxing and tae kwon doe will basically revert back to the art that they have practiced the most and r most comfortable with in a fight. So y not try a bunch of arts until u find one that fits u and train in it, b/c it is utterly useless, to know too many styles in a fight, b/c fights lasts seconds.