William Cheung's Traditional Wing Chun

[kiddbjj]

hey tameo

tameo

tell me why you left cheungs wing chun and what/who made you reach that final decision?

[Tameo]

I already explained it earlier but in short, i realised that the principles that were taught there were wrong. I also realised that there are other great arts out there that have lots to offer and that Wing Chun isnt the only useful ma out there. The problem with cheung's lineage is that they focus so much on techniques that they forget to understand the principles behind them and can not explain why things are done the way they are. Sure they explain it but its all very breaf, nothing like the other wing chun sifus i met. My previous sifu Joe Sayah, supposedly cheung's best student even told my friend that he could not fight with gloves on, that with gloves he had no power, but when he took off his gloves he had power. With this kung-fu and other stuff im learning it doesnt matter if oyu have gloves or not because i see how they use the body to generate power, not like in the TWC were they just go super fast with the hands having nothing behind them. The footwork is very noneconomical in TWC because they always try to lift the feet and step around the oponent. This could work against someone who is slow or you might get lucky and pull this kind of stuff off, but sometimes you just dont have time to lift your feet, you have to pivot in place or slide the feet. Whenever you lift your feet you compromise your balance, so an experienced Martial artist can take your balance with ease. These systems im training teach this kind of footwork which i like. I also train in boxing because i need to know their game too. I learned not to underestimate a boxer, because sometimes wing chun doesnt work against boxers if they are throwing fast combos at you and faking all the time. The way we train now is we train to be able to take a hit and keep going. In the twc school htey would always reset after you got hit, which is completely unrealistic. I would still try to go at it in their sparring classes and wouldnt care if i got hit, but the principles already taught there are wrong. There are lots of other reasons i dont go back but that would take forever to talk about

[Tameo]

tameo

tell me why you left cheungs wing chun and what/who made you reach that final decision?

A guy who used to go there and would always help me out in training helped me reach my decision, However he did not try to convince me, he just showed me and i made my own conclusions.

[Rogue Warrior]

Tameo dont let this other guy ( I fogot his name already) get you pissed off. If you are exploring other arts then thats great!!! When I studied Wing Chun years ago I loved it and belived that it was the one and only martial art of all martial arts. But as the years go by things change and so do needs for supplementing your training. So do what you like and be happy with what you are learning. What my sifu used to always say is " Its not the art that makes it good, but the person that learns the art makes it good. "

[Thai Bri]

What my sifu used to always say is " Its not the art that makes it good, but the person that learns the art makes it good. "

Sounds to me like your Sifu was an illiterate oaf.

[Thai Bri]

By the wat Tameo, liftin feet may not sound like a good idea to you..... But try shuffling around on grass, or in mud, or on an uneven surface, or a slippery one. It is far better to lift them in a real fight. That way you have far less chance of tripping over, ya dumb nonce. Youre not using "ring craft" when there is no ring, so why train it?

Looks to me like your rejecting one of the few good things Cheungy the Fraud had to offer.

[Tameo]

By the wat Tameo, liftin feet may not sound like a good idea to you..... But try shuffling around on grass, or in mud, or on an uneven surface, or a slippery one. It is far better to lift them in a real fight. That way you have far less chance of tripping over, ya dumb nonce. Youre not using "ring craft" when there is no ring, so why train it?

Looks to me like your rejecting one of the few good things Cheungy the Fraud had to offer.

I never said its bad to lift your feet, its just in some situations you dont have time to alot of footwork with lifting the feet. if a fast combo comes it would be very hard to do lift yor feet to move. In some situtions you cant shift in place so then you would have to lift your feet and step, it all depends on the surface your fighting on, but its better to know both am i correct? Thats why i still keep practicing my footwork from cheung's style because i know that it might work sometimes. However if you are fighting on pavement or street or indoors on a wooden floor, it would be wiser to shift or step as little as posibble. Look at gary lam in the video clip. the demo guy is throwing his punches and gary isnt moving all that much. WHenever id throw punches like that at my previous sifu he would be moving all over the place to try and deflect everything. He would sometimes get hit. William cheungs footwork is very basic and they train not to get hit. I odnt like that kind of training because in a fight you will get hit and you cant reset each time you get hit. Every time you leave the ground with your feet you are compromising your balance, so it is better when possible not to step so much. the closer you are to the ground the more balance you have and the more time you have to put your foot down. I went agaisnt some beginners in Robert chu's school and they kept pushing me offbalance because my feet were always up moving. while they were taking a lot more economical quick steps with their whole body working like a spring.

[blitz]

Damn this cheung guy looks very cocky by what i've seen.

[aseepish]

Cheung's Kwoon in Australia

If you're ever visiting William Cheung's school in Melbourne's Chinatown, check out the restaurant next to it. Amazing dumplings.

[Thai Bri]

Tameo. You're a kid who's looking for a guru. So, you've ditched one and found another. Try thinking for yourself.

And don't forget to re-read all the bollocks you've written in this thread, and then apologise to your Uncle Bri.......

[gabbah]

Tameo. You're a kid who's looking for a guru. So, you've ditched one and found another. Try thinking for yourself.

And don't forget to re-read all the bollocks you've written in this thread, and then apologise to your Uncle Bri.......

That's some fetish you got there, finding "lost" young ones on forums and making them submit to Uncle Bri...

[Tameo]

Tameo. You're a kid who's looking for a guru. So, you've ditched one and found another. Try thinking for yourself.

And don't forget to re-read all the bollocks you've written in this thread, and then apologise to your Uncle Bri.......

Im not looking for no guru, all im looking for is effective training and good training partners. I suggest you read all your ignorant bs u have writen too. You talk shit about all wing chun so stfu.

[Thai Bri]

That's some fetish you got there, finding "lost" young ones on forums and making them submit to Uncle Bri...

Hey! We all gotta have hobbies!

Tameo - please re-read the thread. Then be ashamed. Be very ashamed.....

[Thai Bri]

I'v seen him fight so i know what im talking about. He would make a bloody mess out of any of you

Yes.... you "know" what you are talking about. But now "know" the opposite.....

[Thai Bri]

Actually it was a thai boxer who was talking shit during his seminar... he came up and knocked him out with a front kick to the head.

Sad sad lies..........