William Cheung's Traditional Wing Chun

[Nebuchadnezzar]

This is an example of the effects of full-contact Wing Chun chain punches. Notice that, though this bout takes place in a ring, it's without gloves, and there is obvious intent on the part of the fighters to do major damage. The knockout that takes place toward the end is the result of a perfect WC vertical punch to the point of the chin.

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i2...t=bd8e3bd1.flv

Ha, Ha, Ha.....NOT!

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Thai, bare with me on this for a moment - Wing Chun takes a lot of heat because it is misunderstood. Take this clip for example, here the greatest master of them all is so fast that he actually bends the sapce time continuum - he is so fast that the other looks as if he is not even moving. Of course, Wing Chun outsiders would be unable to see that and thus have to interpret things otherwise. Certificate anyone?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7eA9BfhSgY

Now THIS is funny!

[Red Rum]

Man oh man, stop taking the mick out of my beloved wing chun
I'm going to have to iron palm all of you until you cry

Or antigrapple you to death

[Tom Yum]

LOL! Why would he bother putting on the gloves for that?

Btw, this is what most WCers seem to be thinking of when they talk about "grappling"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-Vp_9i7JnQ&NR=1

I like how the grappler guy just bends down and doesn't shoot when he comes in for a takedown, rather jetting his arms out like a nerd whose lost his glasses and can't seem to find them.

[Red Rum]

Like Velma from Scooby Doo!!! Where are my glasses!!

Why do loads of wing chun guys think they can grapple using wing chun?

Its easier and more reliable to use BJJ or catch wrestling or sombo

[yuriart]

hello anybody or everybody
i am a wing chun practioner stuck in manila philippines
i am looking for any schools or anyone who does wing chun so we can train together
i have been studying wing chun for 7 years
been training intensely for the past 4 years (every other day, 6 hours each day)
my grandmaster's (duncan leung) friend has been teaching me, sifu guy lai.

i am looking for anyone who wants to train and share
i am not a master i am just looking to keep growing

thanks

[Ben Grimm]

I'm a Wing Chun stylist. Frankly speaking Cheung is crap. He started with all the claims after Yip Man passed away. His angles are wrong and a lot of his stuff is watered down Wing Chun these days. Just trying to sell it to make money.

[Museumtech]

I'm a Wing Chun stylist.

Hair or nails Ben?

Frankly speaking Cheung is crap. He started with all the claims after Yip Man passed away.

And explained that he had agreed not to teach TWC while GM Yip was still alive. Your point is?

His angles are wrong and a lot of his stuff is watered down Wing Chun these days.

His angles are different but still very right. Watered down? Can't say I've seen you training with him Ben, what do you base this revelation on (apart from, its cool and gives me street cred to slang off about William Cheung)?

[Ben Grimm]

Let's just say that I know some of Alfredo Del Brocco's students. I never trained with Cheung and nor do I want to.If he was so good, why did he get taken to the ground by Emin Boztepe? I know the footage was edited in part, but he was still put on the ground and tried to get out by headbutting Boztepe's elbow.

[TigerClaw]

Hey all, there is another Tiger Claw that is not me, just a note.

[TigerClaw]

Let's just say that I know some of Alfredo Del Brocco's students. I never trained with Cheung and nor do I want to.If he was so good, why did he get taken to the ground by Emin Boztepe? I know the footage was edited in part, but he was still put on the ground and tried to get out by headbutting Boztepe's elbow.

I don't know if you should write off a man because of one fight.

[Museumtech]

Let's just say that I know some of Alfredo Del Brocco's students. I never trained with Cheung and nor do I want to.If he was so good, why did he get taken to the ground by Emin Boztepe? I know the footage was edited in part, but he was still put on the ground and tried to get out by headbutting Boztepe's elbow.

No-one is asking you to train with Sifu Cheung. Your criticisms were of him and not of some students of his students so I was asking if you have actually trained with him. You haven't. As to his ability as a fighter you refer to the Boztepe clip. Yes it was highly edited, but you have to ask yourself, if Boztepe was so good at Wing Chun, and he attacked William, how did he end up in a headlock (at the very start of the clip)?

There is no question about his Wing Chun fighting ability. In the 50's the majority of beimo fights were by Wong Shun Leung, Wong Kiu and William Cheung. In an article by WSL he mentions that Bruce Lee was always asking him if he (Lee) could defeat Cheung yet? WSLBL.

As to his ability as a teacher. In 1982 we sent four student over to Hong Kong for the World Invitation Kung Fu Championships. All four returned, relatively unharmed. Rick Spain and Joe Moahenghi brought back the Middle weight and Heavy weight titles respectively.

[Ben Grimm]

I'm not saying Cheung wasn't an able fighter. Nor am I saying that he can't fight now. All I'm saying is that I don't like his style of Wing Chun and that it looks very different than any other style of Wing Chun. Do you think that Yip Man would not have taught his own sons TWC as well? But apparently Cheung is the sole inheritor, this is what gets me worked up. TigerClaw shut the **** up. On DL you were talking about how great Boztepe is, and now you're contradicting yourself.

[TigerClaw]

I'm not saying Cheung wasn't an able fighter. Nor am I saying that he can't fight now. All I'm saying is that I don't like his style of Wing Chun and that it looks very different than any other style of Wing Chun. Do you think that Yip Man would not have taught his own sons TWC as well? But apparently Cheung is the sole inheritor, this is what gets me worked up. TigerClaw shut the **** up. On DL you were talking about how great Boztepe is, and now you're contradicting yourself.

No, I am not contradicting myself, you are very weak in reasoning and debate, I did not say that Bozetepe was better or worse. I merely said, (if you read and were more careful before you even try to attack me) that you cannot write off a man based on one fight. I did not even comment on who was better or worse.

And yes I think Bozetepe, is a powerful martial artist, even though I do not like his character and attitude. I also still believe he could handle himself against many MMA fighters today. But that really doesn't matter anyway.

By the way Bozetepe has done a DVD on ground fighting and how to deal with grapplers , (something like that) . Although I have not sen it. That might be interesting to throw into the mix in here. A kung fu man who has answers against grapplers.

I have not seen the video, so I cannot comment on the content. But it may be interesting. I saw the ad for it in Inside Kung Fu magazine,.

[Ben Grimm]

I was referring to what you said on DL. And how you told Cam that Boztepe's style could defeat an experienced MMA fighter such as himself. LARPer.