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  • #16
    Its good that you have standards.

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    • #17
      1. Deligent
      2. Determination
      3. Devotion
      4. Dedication
      5. Defense
      and....
      6. Destruction
      I literally laughed out loud when i read this. How bout rewriting it so he can remember it better? I'm thinking along the lines of "With great power comes great responsibility"
      or "D*mnit danny where's my burrito?"

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      • #18
        JMD - there are many reality based self defence systems out there. You are way out.

        Try here for starters... www.senshido.com

        They do train specifically for the street. Their stuff is far far more than just a collection of physical techniques. No offence, mate, but you've shown considerable lack of knowledge on this one.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Thai Bri
          JMD - there are many reality based self defence systems out there. You are way out.

          Try here for starters... www.senshido.com

          They do train specifically for the street. Their stuff is far far more than just a collection of physical techniques. No offence, mate, but you've shown considerable lack of knowledge on this one.
          Bri,

          How do you train for the streets???

          If you believe that you can truly learn to deal with street violence in a reality based self defence school?!?! Then "No Offense" ,but you just showed a considerable lack of knowledge of the streets!!!

          jeff

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          • #20
            You're showing your ignorance now.

            Scenario training
            Fear control
            Awareness training
            Improvised weaponry
            Legal knowledge
            Equipment
            Tactical use of surroundings
            The Fence
            Conversational management etc. etc.

            There are many many ways you can train for the streets. This escapulates just how the so called martial arts have so little value in todays world. There is far more to a confrontation than stylised physical techniques.

            You are like a blind man who doesn't realise he is blind. He has this big black void in front of him, and can see that clearly! He has no concept of the objects aorund him, but fails to acknowledge that they exist.

            You disappoint me Jeff, and you highlight the deficiency in so called fighting arts.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Thai Bri
              Scenario training
              Fear control
              Awareness training
              Improvised weaponry
              Legal knowledge
              Equipment
              Tactical use of surroundings
              The Fence
              Conversational management etc. etc.

              There are many many ways you can train for the streets. This escapulates just how the so called martial arts have so little value in todays world. There is far more to a confrontation than stylised physical techniques.
              it really shows that you have no idea about street fighting, you are complete moron..... all of those you mention are all Theory and coming from mouth.

              Note:
              Street Fight not on mouth, do it in techniques learn.....

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Thai Bri
                You're showing your ignorance now.

                Scenario training
                Fear control
                Awareness training
                Improvised weaponry
                Legal knowledge
                Equipment
                Tactical use of surroundings
                The Fence
                Conversational management etc. etc.

                There are many many ways you can train for the streets. This escapulates just how the so called martial arts have so little value in todays world. There is far more to a confrontation than stylised physical techniques.

                You are like a blind man who doesn't realise he is blind. He has this big black void in front of him, and can see that clearly! He has no concept of the objects aorund him, but fails to acknowledge that they exist.

                You disappoint me Jeff, and you highlight the deficiency in so called fighting arts.
                No, you just disappointed me my friend!!

                Bri,

                I truly thought you were someone that had some "real world" knowledge and understanding. You truly believe that you can prepare for street violence ,that is sad my friend very sad.

                There is no way you can totally prepare for the streets ,there are too many unknowns. But you go ahead ,and believe that you'll be prepared for the street. If i was anywhere near you i'd show up at your hospital bed to say "I told you so!!"

                jeff

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                • #23
                  sherwinc - I've had quite a few street fights, you idiot!

                  Haw haw haw!

                  None of those things are theory. They are all realities that have to be faced. The "theory" is the "I punch to a ratio of 22 punches to your two punches" bollocks that you spout all day long.

                  Put it this way, I William Cheung had a clue about the list I wrote, Emin wouldn't have been able to bitch slap him so friggin easily! Haw haw haw!

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by jmd161
                    No, you just disappointed me my friend!!

                    Bri,

                    I truly thought you were someone that had some "real world" knowledge and understanding. You truly believe that you can prepare for street violence ,that is sad my friend very sad.

                    There is no way you can totally prepare for the streets ,there are too many unknowns. But you go ahead ,and believe that you'll be prepared for the street. If i was anywhere near you i'd show up at your hospital bed to say "I told you so!!"

                    jeff
                    The fact there are so many unknowns defines the need for the training ya gonk. You need to read. Start with "Dead or Alive" by Geoff Thompson. Put your ego to one side and lift the veil. Get it here www.geoffthompson.com and let me know what you think after you've read it.

                    Put it this way, are there any more unknowns in the streets than, for example, the conflict in Afghanastan? Or have the USMC spent their training time practicing forms? No, they have training to prepare them for reality. They learn how to search people, how to reconnoitre areas, how to tactially take buildings, how to cover each other when they move, how to adjust their response, depending on the threat......etc. etc. etc. They don't do too much Black Tiger Kung Fu though, I'll give you that.

                    Your embarrasing yourself. Read the book and then we can both have a laugh about it when you admit it. This is coming form an 18 year police officer. I dealt with street violence every day when on the beat, and I have yet to see a hospital bed. No offence intended, but theres none so blind as those who will not see.

                    Of course you can prepare for reality. Theres no guarantees you will alays win of course...... but of course you can prepare.

                    YOU JUST HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF IT, AND YOU'RE TOO PROUD TO ADMIT IT!

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Thai Bri
                      I've had quite a few street fights, you idiot!

                      Haw haw haw!

                      None of those things are theory. They are all realities that have to be faced. The "theory" is the "I punch to a ratio of 22 punches to your two punches" bollocks that you spout all day long.

                      Put it this way, I William Cheung had a clue about the list I wrote, Emin wouldn't have been able to bitch slap him so friggin easily! Haw haw haw!
                      So because you had "quite a few street fights" that makes you an authority on street fighting???

                      Wow!!!

                      In that case i should be some street fighting Grandmaster then!!!

                      The fact there are so many unknowns defines the need for the training ya gonk. You need to read. Start with "Dead or Alive" by Geoff Thompson. Put your ego to one side and lift the veil. Get it here www.geoffthompson.com and let me know what you think after you've read it.

                      Put it this way, are there any more unknowns in the streets than, for example, the conflict in Afghanastan? Or have the USMC spent their training time practicing forms?

                      Your embarrasing yourself. Read the book and then we can both have a laugh about it when you admit it. This is coming form an 18 year police officer. No offence intended.
                      Bri,

                      I won't result to name calling like you have.

                      But the fact that cops admit everyday they've seen stuff happen on the street that they can't believe or have never seen in 20-30 yrs on the street proves my point. I have many friends that are police officers in many of the toughest areas and streets on miami. These guys have grown up on these streets and work them everyday ,and they don't even have a clue how to prepare for the streets.

                      But Geoff Thompson just happens to know the secret huh?!?! Geoff Thompson did EXACTLY what he set out to do. Sell books to people like you that fall for his street reality crap!!

                      jeff

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                      • #26
                        There isn't any secrets at all. No one is saying there is. Its down to common sense and experience.

                        Your cop friends don't prepare when they hit the streets? They don't assess the threats they face? They don't cover each others backs? They don't tactically move when under threat? They don't share intelligence? They don't communicate via radio when responding to an incident? They don't use the equipment they have been issued with?

                        The haven't been trained in the use of firearms? The haven't been taught how to search people and places in a safe manner?

                        Tell me this. Who is safest. A totally naive and inexperienced civillian patrolling the streets in uniform, or a 10 year, fully trained street cop? We all know the answer of course. But why? BECAUSE THE GUY WITH THE TRAINING AND EXPERIENCE IS FAR MORE PREPARED FOR THE STREETS.

                        You have dug yourself a bit of a hole here, and now you've climbed in and started filling it in. It is the most obvious thing in the world that you can prepare for the streets through training and experience. Just like the military do. You're talking nonsense mate, and its all because you haven't got the strength of character to admit that there are things you don't know.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Thai Bri
                          YOU JUST HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF IT, AND YOU'RE TOO PROUD TO ADMIT IT!

                          Bri,

                          You have no idea "who" you are talking to.

                          I've spent too many yrs of my life in the streets involved in street violence. I've been in more street violent situations than you prolly saw in your entire 18 yrs on the force. I've been involved in drug wars,drive by shooting,robberies,and many other crimes.

                          Now that i'm much older 38yrs old yesterday i realise that i was young and foolish. There was a time i prayed everyday to the lord above to make it to age 21. All my friends were being killed at 16-18 yrs old. I've done stuff that i know i will have to deal with the lord on judgement day about. Even through all that ,i could never consider myself "prepared" for the streets. I traveled everywhere with two guns on me. I've had weapons that if i was caught with could've gotten me atleast 10 yrs in a federal prison here in the US.

                          As i'm writing this i have a fully automatic AK-47 laying next to my feet. So don't tell me that "YOU JUST HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF IT, AND YOU'RE TOO PROUD TO ADMIT IT!" I have more knowledge of the streets than most police officers on this planet. You guys worked in them for a number of hrs a day ,I lived in them everyday of my life!!!

                          jeff

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                          • #28
                            You know what Bri ,i'm going to use your example to prove a point.


                            Who has the experience and training in Iraq ,the soldiers or the civillians running around in the streets with guns?

                            Of course the soldiers have the training and experience on their side ,but how many solldiers have died fighting those inexperienced civillians??

                            That's because with all their training and experience ,it does them no good when they don't know who,when,what or where the threat is coming from!!

                            jeff

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                            • #29
                              No one said they would all survive. Training (good training) can prepare you. But nothing is infallible. The logical conclusion to your point is that a bunch of untrained American High School students will have just as much chance of survival out there as those trained soldiers. I mean, no one can prepare right? So their training has done them no good. Yes? But that, of course, is ridiculous. Of course they are far more prepared than a bunch of untrained kids. And it is becasue of their training and experience. You've dug yourself into a silly hole and your too immature to admit it.

                              Remember the example of the rookie and the experienced cop? I think we both know who has the best chance. And I think we know why...... Because one has training and experience that has prepared him, whereas the other has not. You can quote all the examples you want of cops getting killed. The fact is that the vast majority reach their retirement. Through t.r.a.i.n.i.n.g and e.x.p.e.r.i.e.n.c.e...... and that adds up to p.r.e.p.a.r.a.t.i.o.n.

                              By the way, if you cannot prepare for the streets, just why do you travel everywhere with two guns? For fun? Or is it to help prepare you for the threats you may well face. Your contradicting yourself, as well as being illogical and downright daft.

                              This is a poor showing Jeff. Very poor indeed.

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                              • #30
                                Bri I think what he's trying to say is that at the end of the day, training and preparation are just that....training and preparation.

                                I totally believe that someone who has trained to a competent level in something like kickboxing, jkd, mt, boxing is going to be at least physically capable of doing serious damage on the street if need be. And I totally believe that someone who has knowledge of things like you have listed, fear control, scenarios, improvised weapons, basically reality-based combat training is gonna be a lot more able to use that strength in the correct manner.

                                BUT...just because you've studied all that theory, and trained, doesn't mean you're going to be 100% out on the street, because no matter how much reality BASED training you do, it'll never be reality..it'll never be serious, your enemy will never be trying to maim/kill you, deep down you'll feel safe and secure in you dojo/gym.

                                and you can never predict how you will react to a streetfight..until you've been in one...or more.

                                At the end of the day I'm agreeing with you, these days you can do a lot to prepare yourself for a street encounter..but I agree with the other dude aswell in the fact that it's only preparation.

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