Afraid of MMA competition

[Thai Bri]

Yes. I have resolved many a conflict.

With my boots!

[Dim Wit Moc]

Then no allegations or accusations need be made when there is a written confession.

[Thai Bri]

True! True!

[yentao]

Those UFC type of tournaments are not really that great. They`er good entertainment sport. Most of the time they`ll stay on ground for minutes & its that "third eye" the fighter`s corners that are yelling instructions informing their fighters what to do becuase their corners serve as spotters to spot an openning or an opportunity to execute a technique. Otherwise, those fighters will be on ground for the whole boute & the winner will be the one who has more stamina to keep rolling around the ground.

I wonder, take away that "third eye" how will they perform?

Kung fu tournaments don`t allow those kind of "satellite couching" once the fight starts corners are not allowed to yell out instructions to their fighters.

Also, try removing those ropes or the cage, fight in a san shou or kung fu arena where the arena is not enclose in a cage or rope. Where in part of loosing a boute is getting thrown or falling out of the arena. Part of winning is outsmarting your opponent having him fall off the ring is part of kung fu strategy but its less "entertaining" to watch & fight ends fast.

For grapplers they be able to use most of their techniques since the rules favours there style but most TMA were more limited. I can't stick on TMA in UFC. Because it is difficult to use in such rules.

[yentao]

Oh come on MAtists have been fighting for fame/glory/money/honor for centuries.

It is those times where there are no laws and you can kill someone and run for it. So if I beat the hell out of you does it bring glory to me and you?

[Thai Bri]

For grapplers they be able to use most of their techniques since the rules favours there style but most TMA were more limited. I can't stick on TMA in UFC. Because it is difficult to use in such rules.

Yes. And it was even more difficult to use in early UFCs when there was NO rules. So difficult, in fact, that Traditional Martial Artists looked like shit fighters and losers who had finally been exposed as the bull shit merchants that they really are.

[sherwinc]

If kung fu guys are so good then they can prove their "strength" in competion rather than having their groupies talk about it online.

they already proved that their kungfu art is good plenty of times, no cameras, no videos, no money is involved for commercial purposes like the ufc, no rules, but its an HONOR KIND OF FIGHTING........ what i mean is:

example:
Southern Mantis KungFu Fighter versus Southern Eagle Claw KungFu Figher..... they fight for Honor, Pride, inviting more personal students, etc....

example... if the Southern Eagle Claw defeated the Southern Mantis, that Southern Mantis will no longer practice and give-up his art cause his honor and dignity is lost..... it is a BIG SHAME for a KungFu fighter to get beaten to a fight even just once......


Note:
When we spar with my kungfu instructor, the only thing i wish is to hit my instructor even just once..... but i could not hit him just once, i already did my best combinations just to hit him once, the ratio of our back-to-back rapid attack and defense is 0:22, meaning, i did not hit him even just once but my instructor him me 22 times controlled power......

bruises is what we called tattoo for fun.....

Note:
it simply means that "More Technique is Better than Few"

[sherwinc]

Those UFC type of tournaments are not really that great. They`er good entertainment sport. Most of the time they`ll stay on ground for minutes & its that "third eye" the fighter`s corners that are yelling instructions informing their fighters what to do becuase their corners serve as spotters to spot an openning or an opportunity to execute a technique. Otherwise, those fighters will be on ground for the whole boute & the winner will be the one who has more stamina to keep rolling around the ground.

I wonder, take away that "third eye" how will they perform?

Kung fu tournaments don`t allow those kind of "satellite couching" once the fight starts corners are not allowed to yell out instructions to their fighters.

Also, try removing those ropes or the cage, fight in a san shou or kung fu arena where the arena is not enclose in a cage or rope. Where in part of loosing a boute is getting thrown or falling out of the arena. Part of winning is outsmarting your opponent having him fall off the ring is part of kung fu strategy but its less "entertaining" to watch & fight ends fast.

i watch yesterday the PRIDE (UFC like match) the more i watch K1, PRIDE, UFC - the more bullshit - i really waste my time watching those kind of tournament......

if you are good, then dont listen to your couch, just trust your fist, dont trust what your mind dictates..... and also dont trust your eyes 100% (sensitivity, etc will work)

UFC, K1, PRIDE ...... are all Human Dummy, the fight reach up to 3 rounds..... and so on......

HOW ABOUT FIGHTING IN THE PLUM FLOWER POSTS???????????????????
can you use your Grappling there?????

HOW ABOUT FIGHTING IN THE ROOFTOP OF A LONG TRAIN RUNNING AT ABOUT 30 Kilometers per Hour????????
can you use your Grappling there?????

HOW ABOUT FIGHTING IN THE STEEPY TOP OF THE MOUNTAIN??????
can you use your Grappling there?????

Note:
kungfu will use natural sorrounding obstacles to his ADVANTAGES, or he will use stones and branches as a temporary KungFu weapon substitutions.....

[sherwinc]

The flowing movements of some kung fu styles are beautiful to watch. If, and I repeat if, some of these things cannot be applied to combat, they are still beautiful art forms. Wushu is fun to watch. Maybe an old lady practicing Tai Chi cannot kick butt, but she is getting good exercise, and it is the right thing for her.

if you feel WuShu's Hand and Feet combinations are useless, then, try to fight WuShu in a KungFu Weapons Category.......

then you may realize that you can't beat WuShu's Twin Flexible Broadswords

Note:
you are holding your own weapon too (maybe twin broadswords but.... the on-born talent that you execute using your weapon will not work)

you will truely say - wow, what a great combinations!!!!!!

Convinced???????

[sherwinc]

btw the average age in MMA is higher than you would expect it's around 30
SO the BS about KF people having to finish their studies first ( as if other people do NOT finish their studies), I would hope one would be finished by then

once you finish your studies and having a good job even if you have only an average salary..... still you have no time for such stupid UFC, K1, PRIDE..... how about your household chores???? your baby is crying waiting for you after your job????? you have no time for a luxury since you have a family there waiting for you......

but if you have some spare time - it is only reserved for practicing kungfu for the purpose of counquering yourself (helping others and not to hurt others)

[Thai Bri]

Nope.

But entertained!

[sherwinc]

San shou, Konghan - this thread is not about proving toughness.

I honestly believe far to many traditional martial arts live in theory and their training for the most part is done in a vacuum. This thread is about taking theory out of the vacuum and putting it into a live and dynamic world.

The best way to do this would be to fight in the street in different environments, like picking fights inside of dark bars, in a dark parking lot on the asphalt, and driving up to a drug dealer and when he comes to your window start punching him through the window. Okay there are obvious reasons why we don’t prove things or test our training in this way. If we did we could be making a trip to the hospital, jail, or the morgue.

The next best way is in competition. I am not talking about point fighting but the UFCs, or other similar events. These events are the closest things to a street fight that we can get with out breaking the law. It will test many things, mostly it will test the skills and the toughness (mental and physical) of the individual fighters but not necessarily the art they represent.

But one of the important things that it does test that is measurable and quantifiable is witch techniques work on a relatively consistent basis and witch techniques don’t. These guys want to win. They train hard and the cross train in other systems. But they only want to learn the things that have been proven to work not the whole system (basically taking the best from different systems).

If trapping worked well and consistently then you would see more of it. If gunting or complicated flowery movements and techniques worked you would see more of them. Even if backward jumping flying upside down kicks worked well and consistently then you would see more of that.

Now not all of us have the desire to get into the octagon with Chuck Liddel, Randy Couture, Bas Rutten, and etc. We may be to busy with school, career, or just too old. So the next best thing is to watch, and study these guys in what they do, what works and what doesn’t.

If you see someone put their hand in the fire and they get badly burned, do you have to do it to prove you will get burned? No, absolutely not. You can watch and learn from these guys, but you have to be willing to except the outcomes.

How else can we find these things out? Stop the pre-arranged crap in your school. Go for live action drills instead. Create drills that employ spontaneity and chaos. Attacks should not be predictable and partners should not cooperate.

Anyway I personally have found out for myself that many things taught to me in my traditional MA training really don’t work so well out side the vacuum of theory and the dojo walls.

eyes, adams apple, windpipe, groin, etc..... are the soft and sensitive parts of the human body...... once it hit hard..... you will die or permanent disabled..... if a kungfu fighter do that - you promise that the kungfu fighter will not enter JAIL????????

[sherwinc]

UFC tournament sis about toughness, secondly in a real street situation there is no ring to keep fighters inside, if they`er on the ground they`ll probably roll around the entire block until they bump into a police car. And in the street there is no second voice yelling out instructions on what technique to use or scouting opennings.

The reason for this thread is about why very few or no KF fighters join UFC? UFC went to Japan, Japanese fighters participate, take it to China & Chinese fighters will participate. The problem is that once they see KF fighters using something 'unstereotypical" techniques that are not supposedly consider to be kung fu they dismissed it as " thats` not kung fu". What many of kung fu bashers here want to see are the movie or fantasy type of kung fu technique. Thats` why when they see san shou, their conclusion is " that`s muay thai + takedown" when they see a takedown they say " thats`s grappling or wrestling" and for them none of those are suppossedly be kung fu techniques?

and all of the techniques found in Muay Thai, BJJ, Boxing, Karate, Tae Kwon Do, etc...... are all found in KungFu

as what i frequently said before.......

[sherwinc]

for all UFC, K1, PRIDE, etc...... that i watch before and after...... i never see any fighters killed each other.....

Reasons?????
cause its against the Law......

Note:
KungFu masters before already proved it..... and it should not be prove it again cause it is already century proven its effectiveness......

Note:
remember General Li KungFu Swords unmatchable?????
remember Wong Fei Hung???????
etc........

[sherwinc]

And with humbleness, many Japanese masters have recognize the superiority of kung fu that they travel to China espacially in the Fujian province to learn from great kung fu masters & incorporate many kung fu techniques & training into their own system.

as my KungFu instructor always said:

"Never show off your kungfu style/system, especially your highest setpattern (kuns/cheins) ...... once someone see's your art - he will get it and claimed it them"