Afraid of MMA competition

[sherwinc]

This is what I have been talking about this whole time! Understanding our defficiencies and to improveing them is what needs to be done.

In our own little worlds behind our dojo doors we often forget that training is a dynamic perocess and we need to get out there and prove ourselves (find out where our weakneses, and where our strengths are).

will you help the kungfu fighter out of jail if he kills his opponent in a ringfight?????

ancestors already prove it since before?????? and before - AGAINST THE LAW is easily escaped.........

[sherwinc]

Example of things that don’t work well: Circular blocks, circular strikes (except hooks), gunting (a block meant to cause damage or to demobilize the offending limb), trapping, fancy footwork, blocking while simultaneously striking, intricate or flowery techniques. Kicking- Jump kicks, spinning kicks, high kicks pretty much all kicks (except the leg kicks and the push kick).

Supreme Ultimately Wrong..... Grand Ultimately Wrong......

these Circular blocks, circular strikes (and even hooks), gunting (a block meant to cause damage or to demobilize the offending limb), trapping, fancy footwork, blocking while simultaneously striking, intricate or flowery techniques. Kicking- Jump kicks, spinning kicks, high kicks pretty much all kicks ARE ALL EFFECTIVE IN COMBAT IF YOU ONLY KNOW HOW TO APPLY........

and these Circular blocks, circular strikes (except hooks), gunting (a block meant to cause damage or to demobilize the offending limb), trapping, fancy footwork, blocking while simultaneously striking, intricate or flowery techniques. Kicking- Jump kicks, spinning kicks, high kicks pretty much all kicks ARE ALSO ALL EFFECTIVE IF YOU ARE HOLDING KUNGFU WEAPONS

[sherwinc]

Toudy thanks for bringing the whole challenge thing up. I have known this but it never came into my head thoughout my discourse in this thread.

Ipon thanks for your comments. I agree there are other things missing too. I have discussed quite a bit of other things in other threads.

One of the points I make a big fuss over in methodology. I have said this over and over in other threads it’s not always about the techniques. There are many things that it’s about but method of training is another one.

Also if we only learn and train in our little dojos and do the same drills and spar the same people day after day week after week we become stagnant our growth will become hampered. We have to get out of our little box and explore and experiment with new things, new people, and new ideas.

How do we do this without getting our windpipes crushed, or an eye put out?

We look at things like the UFCs, Pride, and other NHB events as alternatives, but you are right not every can get in or even wants too. So what are some other alternatives to the tourney’s?

You know me I always have some ideas and some are even good (or least okay). We can hold our own similar versions to those MMA competitions even if it’s just our own students. Change up the rules, get out those mats, and throw on some gear and rally go at it any thing goes (with in reason). The over forty population probably won’t like this one.

We can invite outside people from other MAs into your our dojos to do live action drills to mix up the responses. Continue to play the “what if” game and seek to improve.

Live drills are a good way to improve.

A live drill is spontaneous, unpredictable and dynamic. They are done at real speeds. I call it street speed.

A good drill for example would be to have an attacker and have of course a defender. The attacker will be told (out of ear shot of the defender) to start by saying “what are you looking at”? Then go in for a push then immediately go for a double leg take down.

The defender doesn’t know what to expect. He just responds.

*Protective equipment can be worn so the participants can go full speed with power.
* The attacker can be told what to do, or he can choose his own attacks.

One of my favorites is to have one of the other student’s walks up and start talking smack. The defender will believe this is the actual attacker while the real attacker will sneak up from behind and attack.

Many attacks start with words and often time the first strike will be a push. But first strikes can often be punches, clinches, takedowns, or just about anything. So I use all of these a lot in my training. However, use your imaginations to come up with many different drills.

Live weapons drills can be applied the same way.

A good example of a weapons drill:

Attacker will place a knife in his belt, sheathed or unsheathed, or it can be concealed. The defender may not even know the attacker has a knife.

The armed attacker will attack, using hand/feet/clinches/grappling, etc. The unarmed defender will defend with hand/feet/clinches/grappling, etc. Armed attacker will wait until defender is preoccupied with defenses then at what ever time the attacker deems fit to draw and attack with knife he is free to do so.

Note: Attacker does not have to use the knife it is his choice. The defender will not know when, how, or if the knife will be deployed.

Knife wrestling drill: Both partners will take hold of a knife. The whistle blows and they fight over the knife. Twisting the knife to cut fingers, hands, and wrists are allowed, punches/kicking/grappling is allowed. The one who gets complete control of the knife is the winner or he can continue to attack and the other guy has to defend.

* Live weapons training should be done with safety guns, knives, and etc.

The students learn to expect the unexpected; they increase their awareness, and understand the unpredictability the face in the street.

Knives and Guns are mostly the common weapons for you there, but here in the Philippines.... the most common weapons here are Stone, Sticks, Indian Targets and White Rabbits, Balisong, Pitchikorno or a small piece of iron gloves....

and remember..... once the fight here starts, a lot of company joins the fight and Grappling is not applicable since Grappling is not effective if you have a multiple opponents......

since you might defeat your opponent upon reaching 13th rounds .... but with a multiple opponent - i dont think reaching up to 13th rounds of fight is not advisable......

[Toudiyama[NL]]

Man oh man these threads become staler by the minute
When are ALL you guys gonna understand that practically NO MartialArt is suited for selfdefence for the masses
Not the traditional nor the modern arts
what you are taking as examples are people who had the opertunity to spend many hours a day on training, be it MMA champions or chinese KF masters, most of us sods do not have that time to spend because we do not have a family that can support us for that long, so we have to study and then work

Traditional Arts often lack the contactsparring, so what, the contact arts are primarily offensive fighting arts and lack even more in the parts that Darr often discribes to us
Self-defence is fighting as little as possible, minimizing the risks
Better a bruised ego than a broken nose
It is not accepting every challenge and looking for a fight

"My art is better than yours in SD" shure it is but it is still crap

I'm amazed at how some people are accusing the trad arts of something but in a sense start to do the same

If SD would be the Olympics, MA would be the Paralympics
Although someone at the Paralympics is showing great achievements, it is nowhere near the "Real" Olympics

As for UFC or Pride, ask the promotors why there are predominantly Americans in the UFC and why some fighters all of a sudden do not fight in Pride?
To the promoters, these events are about the same as a WWE PPV event
The people come to be entertained ( the more they are, the more money is made)

[sherwinc]

It is those times where there are no laws and you can kill someone and run for it. So if I beat the hell out of you does it bring glory to me and you?

True..... the way KungFu ancestors proved it before.... that KungFu is very effective.... today???? if you kill someone - you cant escape entering Jail

there's no need to prove it cause KungFu Ancestors already proved it before...... a century proven art of KungFu

[sherwinc]

As for UFC or Pride, ask the promotors why there are predominantly Americans in the UFC and why some fighters all of a sudden do not fight in Pride?
To the promoters, these events are about the same as a WWE PPV event
The people come to be entertained ( the more they are, the more money is made)

very very very very true......

as an another candidate for a COMERCIALIZED MARTIAL ARTS CATEGORY....

[yentao]

Yes. And it was even more difficult to use in early UFCs when there was NO rules. So difficult, in fact, that Traditional Martial Artists looked like shit fighters and losers who had finally been exposed as the bull shit merchants that they really are.

You are the Bull Shit. Why? Because there are no chinese (merchant my ass thai brief) or someone that really train kung fu that joined in the early tournaments until now NONE. All the guys that joined are not Chinese or merchants LOL but guys from MC DOJO. Even the early ufc tournaments have already rules aside from the fact that they are not organized well yet but that just happened on only 2 UFC events) hahaha Thai Brief LOL I've seen it you can't lie or stirr things up that is BS <-- your style.

[yentao]

Man oh man these threads become staler by the minute

Traditional Arts often lack the contactsparring, so what, the contact arts are primarily offensive fighting arts and lack even more in the parts that Darr often discribes to us
Self-defence is fighting as little as possible, minimizing the risks
Better a bruised ego than a broken nose
It is not accepting every challenge and looking for a fight

Lack contact sparring? Not at all. We have sparring now. It will work against unexperienced fighter. Not all guys knows MA. It is still useful when you know something. After all MOST but not all modern systems came from the traditional systems (excuse me not all TMA that we are talking here is kung fu).

Even you lack techniques but you are strong you still can win. Look Bob Sapp he just join K1 and won he was just a football player then.

What made TMA suck is the MC dojos around the world. Any system will suck if someone who use it doesn't know how to fight with it.

[sherwinc]

Even you lack techniques but you are strong you still can win. Look Bob Sapp he just join K1 and won he was just a football player then.

Very True, as i already spar someone whose kicking is so very powerful, i cant manage to intercept his kickings with my hands cause all of his kickings is all powerfull...... i have plans to spar him using my Broadswords to cheat him HAW HAW HAW......

What made TMA suck is the MC dojos around the world. Any system will suck if someone who use it doesn't know how to fight with it.

so you see?????? Fake TMA Schools and Commercialized TMA Schools are all bullshit.......

[Toudiyama[NL]]

What made TMA suck is the MC dojos around the world. Any system will suck if someone who use it doesn't know how to fight with it.

Well IMHO what makes MA suck as SD is the fact that they demand way too much training to become proficient in SD
I count training in hours not weeks or years because those don't give the right impression

[darrianation]

Knives and Guns are mostly the common weapons for you there, but here in the Philippines.... the most common weapons here are Stone, Sticks, Indian Targets and White Rabbits, Balisong, Pitchikorno or a small piece of iron gloves....

and remember..... once the fight here starts, a lot of company joins the fight and Grappling is not applicable since Grappling is not effective if you have a multiple opponents......

since you might defeat your opponent upon reaching 13th rounds .... but with a multiple opponent - i dont think reaching up to 13th rounds of fight is not advisable......

Weapons? Train with what you use for self defense. If you uae a rock then train with rocks. If you use broad swords then train with them. If you use feces then train with shit!

[Thai Bri]

You are the Bull Shit. Why? Because there are no chinese (merchant my ass thai brief) or someone that really train kung fu that joined in the early tournaments until now NONE. All the guys that joined are not Chinese or merchants LOL but guys from MC DOJO. Even the early ufc tournaments have already rules aside from the fact that they are not organized well yet but that just happened on only 2 UFC events) hahaha Thai Brief LOL I've seen it you can't lie or stirr things up that is BS <-- your style.

Just let us all know where and when these deadly Kung Fu experts fought without getting their anuses handed to them on a rusty coat hanger.

[Dim Wit Moc]

Well hand to hand, everyone has one. If you don't you must be in a lot of pain.

[Seismic Anamoly]

You know, it's no surprise that a topic usually starts off with great dialogue and then devolves into farsided commentary by both sides. There are alot of great points that are made on this forum and thread, but it sucks when i come in at the crap end of the discussion. But at any rate, here's my quick two cents; What ever happened to training for a regular "fight" ???

Seriously. No offense to the MMA of the world, but I dont want to train for a ring fight when a street fight is most likely what i would encounter. "Yes but training in MMA is the best street fighting method" a MMA might say. I say, "hogwash". There is no gurantee that any "one method" is the sure end to get your ass out of a really bad situation.


-SA

[verc]

Holy crap the people on this board are wierd.

I sure hope y'all don't talk like this in real life, cause i mean, the only people I know of who use language like the dim moc guy are those Dungeons and Dragons Roleplaying freaks...