San da

[CKD]

in those sanda vs mt matches, were the thais banned from using elbows and knees?

Most of them I believe were. But the muay thai fighters they fought I believe were not champions either.

[Tom Yum]

True.

I don't think we'll ever see a best of the best muay thai vs. san da. Both countries want to keep their better fighters to themselves. I don't think San da has been around long enough to compete with the muay thai champs.

San da fighters are getting better and pulling victories against higher ranked MT fighters.

[konghan]

Yes, for me my hand speed and kicking speed is as fast as ever, my power is as powerful as ever, but my ability to move or close and or make distance has slowed done quite a bit.

My knees are all but shot, so for my cardio I cannot do road work anymore, so I swim, do the eliptical traininer, and martial arts. It sucks getting older.

The leg joints are always the first to go, anckle, knee sometimes toes & sole. I find running is a bit too straineous for people like me who are reaching the 50 mark age. Becuase our body weight gets heavier for our legs to handle & our joints gets weaker too as we age.

But, this is my personal opinion & expereince, is that becuase I train in ngo cho kun, the forms in it are suited for strengthening joints & help keep my posture also help develop vitality & energy ( very important ).

Unlike other kung fu forms like wu shu it is only design for young & athletic people.

Tai chi is a good form too for aging people but I just find it a bit too slow.

[EmptyneSs]

hmm, if the thais were banned from using elbows and knees, thats kinda significant. they werent allowed to use their art to its full potential, so who knows.

[AlexJitsu]

Konghan, you should check out Hsing Yi and Ba Gua. They are like Tai Chi but faster, and more used for fighting.

[konghan]

Konghan, you should check out Hsing Yi and Ba Gua. They are like Tai Chi but faster, and more used for fighting.

i like what i read about ba gua, it is just a matter of finding the right sifu.

[krys]

Konghan, you should check out Hsing Yi and Ba Gua. They are like Tai Chi but faster, and more used for fighting.

Depends on the teacher..... Tai Chi is also taught with boxing gloves in the right places (Quiapo ).

[konghan]

Depends on the teacher..... Tai Chi is also taught with boxing gloves in the right places (Quiapo ).

You mean in Quiapo, tai chi train in actual fighting with gloves?

[krys]

Yes, they train fighting (this is part of their training, they still practice forms ) .... gloves, they also use punching bags filled with rice and other equipment...There are good internal chinese ma masters in Quiapo (real Hsing I and Tai Chi).... One friend showed them how Tai Chi and internal cmas are practiced in the west and they couldn't believe it...

[darrianation]

To tie this back into the original thread, I think Sanda or Sanshou would be a great art to learn for a man in his 40's not only fitness wise but also for decent self-defense. Sanshou guys training overlaps with muay thai training, except when it comes to elbows and clinch work; the sanshou fighter wants to keep his clinch low so he can get take downs, whereas the thaiboxer wants to stay high so he can deliver fast, powerful knees and elbows.

I agree, The ring is for the younger generation but older folks can still gain great bennefit from training in MT and SS for fitness and self-defense.

[krys]

You mean in Quiapo, tai chi train in actual fighting with gloves?

It is on recomandation (you need to be introduced), rather expensive for local prices 4000 pesos a month but you can train from 7 p.m.-2a.m. with the master, either Taichi or Hsing I.

[konghan]

krys, is yaw yan club still around? yaw yan train like MT with a little kung fu taste in it too.

[krys]

krys, is yaw yan club still around? yaw yan train like MT with a little kung fu taste in it too.

Yes Yaw Yan is still active an kicking .
Yaw Yan was challenged by different schools but defeated them.....
Lately there has been different new forms of Yaw Yan, called hybrid Yaw Yan and the founder Master Yap didn't seem to like this.....
The Yaw-Yan Temple in Shaw Blvd. had been closed and Master Nap relocated in Bulacan I think. He renamed his art Yaw Yan Ardigma as he added more grapling. I believe more weapon training was also included.

[konghan]

Yes Yaw Yan is still active an kicking .
Yaw Yan was challenged by different schools but defeated them.....
Lately there has been different new forms of Yaw Yan, called hybrid Yaw Yan and the founder Master Yap didn't seem to like this.....
The Yaw-Yan Temple in Shaw Blvd. had been closed and Master Nap relocated in Bulacan I think. He renamed his art Yaw Yan Ardigma as he added more grapling. I believe more weapon training was also included.

I thought the original Yaw Yan was in Recto near Quipo? near FEU. I forgat the name of the building. Yaw Yan is the closes thing to MT Philippine style.

Do you know what is Mr. Yap ethnic background? is he Visaya, Tagalog, Fil-Chinese or is he from Mindanao?

[krys]

I do not train in Yaw Yan but know their headquarter was in Shaw bld....
They closed the temple because of politics.
Amazing how those guys were dedicated, lived in there and trained night and days...

Yaw Yan is like filipino MTbut with many things added. It is a pure filipino art with many empty hand strikes (bolo punches) coming from Arnis.....
Emiliano Zapata was the pride of Yaw Yan, he reamained undefeated, fought in Thailand too and won several times.... I am quite sure he retired now. There are some rumors that master Nap plans to train a new team to fight in MMA, maybe UFC....

I don't know the origins of master Nap (Napoleon Fernandez), will inquire.

Were there tournaments between NCK and Yaw Yan fighters when you were in the Philippines?

Thanks.