San da

[_Peter_]

I have the opportunity to learn san da and was just wondering what the thoughts of you guys are on this style and I am curious to know the effectiveness of it and the techniques that are employed in it.

[konghan]

San da or san shou, train properly it can be good & effective as any MA. It is design basically for ring tournaments. With punch, kick, sweep, takedowns. It has more techniques & options than kick boxing. It is kung fu form of sparing.

Like any full contact sport or sports that are design for young people it is limited up to age maybe 40. After that its retirement.

In kung fu san shou is the theatre for students to try out their skills & expereince something that is close to actual street fighting in a control environment.

But in the end it will be the forms that will allow students to be able to continue to improve their skills & technique as well as maintaine their physical well being for the long haul.

[AlexJitsu]

San Shou is great. There is a lot of controversy if the fights vs. Thailand were legit. The Chinese beat all the thai boxers, however that was in China with biased chinese judges.

San Shou is essentially modernized kung fu. It even has street techniques within the system which are not meant for the ring. San shou was developed by the Chinese military.

[_Peter_]

Thanks for that guys. I'll go start training and I'm only 16 so the age limit of about 40 won't affect me

[konghan]

San Shou is great. There is a lot of controversy if the fights vs. Thailand were legit. The Chinese beat all the thai boxers, however that was in China with biased chinese judges.

San Shou is essentially modernized kung fu. It even has street techniques within the system which are not meant for the ring. San shou was developed by the Chinese military.

I think the contraversy stem from the rules that was used. Espacially on takedown points. The MT fighters were no doubt on even footing with the san da fighters as far as conditioning & power kicking.

For hyper young people san da will suite them well. In the Philippines there is a martial art that is similar to MT and has been around since the 60`s but for some reason it never got popularized, it is called Yaw Yan.

[darrianation]

But in the end it will be the forms that will allow students to be able to continue to improve their skills & technique as well as maintaine their physical well being for the long haul.

Ehhh.......

[darrianation]

San Shou is great. There is a lot of controversy if the fights vs. Thailand were legit. The Chinese beat all the thai boxers, however that was in China with biased chinese judges.

San Shou is essentially modernized kung fu. It even has street techniques within the system which are not meant for the ring. San shou was developed by the Chinese military.

Alex, finely something we can agree upon. Actually even though I haven't said it I agree with a few other things you've said over in the reality of Kung Fu thread.

The judging was biased, but those fighters were good, and I think San Shou is awsome.

[konghan]

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But in the end it will be the forms that will allow students to be able to continue to improve their skills & technique as well as maintaine their physical well being for the long haul.


darianation ; Ehhh.......
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Yup, san da, mt, boxing call this formless or contact sport just like wu shu, basketball, football, soccer & gymnastic this sports are suited only for the young & athletic.

But once one reach retirement age ( 40+ yrs old ) they'll need some alternate style to keep them in shape & many of them turn to aerobics & light cardio work out.

Some will turn to tai chi others might start doing some kung fu forms. Many will end up in the golf course.

While the loyal kung fu people will continue to pursue their kung fu forms & maintained both their martial skills & physical health 'till their senior years.

[Tom Yum]

But once one reach retirement age ( 40+ yrs old ) they'll need some alternate style to keep them in shape & many of them turn to aerobics & light cardio work out.

Some will turn to tai chi others might start doing some kung fu forms. Many will end up in the golf course.

After 40? You can still train in MMA, but the focus would be on fitness and self-defense. Once I get over the hill, I'll be looking into Xing Yi, Ba Gua and Chin na as well.

[darrianation]

[QUOTE=konghan]

But once one reach retirement age ( 40+ yrs old ) they'll need some alternate style to keep them in shape & many of them turn to aerobics & light cardio work out.

Hey, I am 40 yeares old, I take offense.

[konghan]

Hey, I am 40 yeares old, I take offense.

Me too, I'm in my mid 40s but I'm still capable of sparing with young adult fighters and they were always suprise that I could still spar like a young man, with all the power & quickness but what they don't know was I'm less mobile I now rely on a quick explosive attack to finish a spar as soon as possible.

[EmptyneSs]

in those sanda vs mt matches, were the thais banned from using elbows and knees?

[Hwa Rang]

Just elbows I think.

[darrianation]

Me too, I'm in my mid 40s but I'm still capable of sparing with young adult fighters and they were always suprise that I could still spar like a young man, with all the power & quickness but what they don't know was I'm less mobile I now rely on a quick explosive attack to finish a spar as soon as possible.

Yes, for me my hand speed and kicking speed is as fast as ever, my power is as powerful as ever, but my ability to move or close and or make distance has slowed done quite a bit.

My knees are all but shot, so for my cardio I cannot do road work anymore, so I swim, do the eliptical traininer, and martial arts. It sucks getting older.

[Tom Yum]

To tie this back into the original thread, I think Sanda or Sanshou would be a great art to learn for a man in his 40's not only fitness wise but also for decent self-defense. Sanshou guys training overlaps with muay thai training, except when it comes to elbows and clinch work; the sanshou fighter wants to keep his clinch low so he can get take downs, whereas the thaiboxer wants to stay high so he can deliver fast, powerful knees and elbows.