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I meant to adress these issues too, I just got a little side tracked earlier.
About kata/forms- You are saying basically anyway that it is used as a attribute development exercise, I can buy that. However then karate kata, and KF forms are done for the same reasons. The problem with the kata is it reinforces bad neuro-muscle memory and habits, as long as your forms do not do this then they are acceptable as a form of attribute development exercise, but there are better ways. The boxer/MT shadow boxing is used the same way and they do not develop bad neuro-muscle habits.
False practice huh? Hmmm…lets see I have several reinforced lacrosse helmets that we use so we can head but full speed and power, punch, elbow, knee to the head. We can use them to practice raking the eyes, we also use swim goggles to practice eye attacks as well. For weapons I have various lengths and widths of padded PVC pipes that we can use to go full force as sticks or pool cues, and etc. I have safety knifes. I have knives with markers on the end to see where you were stabbed and how many times. Other equipment 16 oz and 14 oz. Boxing gloves as well as several pair of MMA gloves. I also have other sparring equipment so we can go hard, like MT shin guards, elbow and kneepads, boxing headgear. As my students get more experienced I ask them to use less and protective gear but we always use headgear and MMA or boxing gloves for fighting drills. I have hanging bags and free standing bags, wrestling mats, as well as a BOB. I use MT pad training and literally drive my students to collapse; I also hit them with the pads (I believe in a live pad holder).
I use mostly live drills, I often intentionally distract my students by various methods to keep them guessing and on their toes. Our sparring is usually very hard, but for the beginners I mix hard with more skill-oriented lighter drills. I use High intensity stress inducing adrenal conditioning drills and scenarios, both simple and complex. We go on location to shopping centers, bank ATMs, parking garages, we set up our school (a school gym) as a bar seen with all the props, and etc. We train in civilian clothing wearing shoes; in the winter we often train while wearing heavy coats. I often bring in guest attackers some with MA experience others without to vary the styles of attacks and reduce familiarity of the same bad guys time after time. My number one training motto is “Go hard or go home”!
I try do be careful so my drills don’t get into “gaming” as so many TMA drills do (predictable/semi predictable, recognizable patterns in familiar partners, set up so the defender wins, dueling, or the drills break down into a competition between partners). I do all I can to make the drills realistic and I do all I can to mess with their heads during the drills. Our sparring often begins in disadvantageous positions, surprise/ambush, and I use as much trickery as I can. During sparring we run the full spectrum of fighting ranges from weapons to ground fighting.
One other thing I have noticed, when I start teaching a student with prior MA training they often pick up the techniques and tactics very fast. At the lower to intermediate intensity drills they are fine, using the things I have taught them very well. But when I turn it up during high intensity adrenal training they go back to their prior training and become less effective than they were with the less intensive drills. Just an observation, I think it has to do with improper reinforced neuro-muscle conditioning from their prior training that takes over in high stress situations.
Anyway we do not do the false training tappy tappy stuff in which you mentioned. We do not do a lot of dueling. Now, if I have a student for whatever reason who doesn’t want to go hard, I respect his or her wishes, but I also make sure they understands the limitations that it brings.
The way I have my training set up is I do private lessons and they can have as many lessons as they want per week, or every other week, or what ever they want (most do once a week), with the average lesson being 2.5 hours long. I go to their homes and teach. I also have an open session group class once per week. A group class is usually broken down like this: Attribute devlopment, Skill work (pad/bags, and fighting drills), grappling (clinch work, throws/takedowns, and ground fighting), weapons (knives,sticks, and improvised, as well as defenses), sparring drills (attack/defend, mini scenarios, and or free fighting), and if time permits a simple scenario or adrenal training. I hold a special High intensity complex scenario session once per month, usually on location. Once every two to three months I hold what I call a hell day. It is a group session with extremely hard and long sparring sessions; only a couple of my hard-core students even want to attempt this (since only a couple of students show up for it I have to particapate in it and it takes me 2-3 months to recover from it). It is much like Geoff Thompson’s animal days.
Last week we did a simple scenario where I had a police officer friend of mine come in and talk about legal issues and the scenarios we did involved handling a police interview after a SD situation. My police officer friend actually interviewed my students as if they were a suspect in an assault, this is a simple scenario, complex scenarios go into more depth.
I do forms in the internal systems i practice - they are not there to develop street fighting moves - but to develop the tendon and sinew structure of the body - this gives you more power than just building muscle in the gym, as tendons hold far greater potential energy. Sports scientists are coming to the realisation that tendon development can be extremely important in efficiency and power in athletes. they are trying to develop methods of working on tendons - these methods have been around for years - in the internal martial arts.
Having strong tendons mean i have strong striking abilities and excellent explosive power.
Having strong tendons mean i have strong striking abilities and excellent explosive power.
About kata/forms- You are saying basically anyway that it is used as a attribute development exercise, I can buy that. However then karate kata, and KF forms are done for the same reasons. The problem with the kata is it reinforces bad neuro-muscle memory and habits, as long as your forms do not do this then they are acceptable as a form of attribute development exercise, but there are better ways. The boxer/MT shadow boxing is used the same way and they do not develop bad neuro-muscle habits.
I wonder how live your training really is - if you were attacking me full pelt even in training i would respond with equal force - both of us would probably get hurt in some way. I am guessing you are expecting your students to pull punches, knee's, kicks, headbuts, elbows etc due to the need for saftey. May i ask what the difference is between this type of false practice where after a headbut you continue attacking instead of thinking about your caved in face, and the point sparring tappy tappy stuff you so dispise.
I see lots of combative stuff and modern street stuff which doesnt actually train with much contact or real consideration of what their strikes will do - attacks just ignoring the kidney punch and the head but or the knee and continuing to attack like nothing has happened - and yet some still consider it the yardstick by which all systems should be measured.
cheers
chris
I see lots of combative stuff and modern street stuff which doesnt actually train with much contact or real consideration of what their strikes will do - attacks just ignoring the kidney punch and the head but or the knee and continuing to attack like nothing has happened - and yet some still consider it the yardstick by which all systems should be measured.
cheers
chris
I use mostly live drills, I often intentionally distract my students by various methods to keep them guessing and on their toes. Our sparring is usually very hard, but for the beginners I mix hard with more skill-oriented lighter drills. I use High intensity stress inducing adrenal conditioning drills and scenarios, both simple and complex. We go on location to shopping centers, bank ATMs, parking garages, we set up our school (a school gym) as a bar seen with all the props, and etc. We train in civilian clothing wearing shoes; in the winter we often train while wearing heavy coats. I often bring in guest attackers some with MA experience others without to vary the styles of attacks and reduce familiarity of the same bad guys time after time. My number one training motto is “Go hard or go home”!
I try do be careful so my drills don’t get into “gaming” as so many TMA drills do (predictable/semi predictable, recognizable patterns in familiar partners, set up so the defender wins, dueling, or the drills break down into a competition between partners). I do all I can to make the drills realistic and I do all I can to mess with their heads during the drills. Our sparring often begins in disadvantageous positions, surprise/ambush, and I use as much trickery as I can. During sparring we run the full spectrum of fighting ranges from weapons to ground fighting.
One other thing I have noticed, when I start teaching a student with prior MA training they often pick up the techniques and tactics very fast. At the lower to intermediate intensity drills they are fine, using the things I have taught them very well. But when I turn it up during high intensity adrenal training they go back to their prior training and become less effective than they were with the less intensive drills. Just an observation, I think it has to do with improper reinforced neuro-muscle conditioning from their prior training that takes over in high stress situations.
Anyway we do not do the false training tappy tappy stuff in which you mentioned. We do not do a lot of dueling. Now, if I have a student for whatever reason who doesn’t want to go hard, I respect his or her wishes, but I also make sure they understands the limitations that it brings.
The way I have my training set up is I do private lessons and they can have as many lessons as they want per week, or every other week, or what ever they want (most do once a week), with the average lesson being 2.5 hours long. I go to their homes and teach. I also have an open session group class once per week. A group class is usually broken down like this: Attribute devlopment, Skill work (pad/bags, and fighting drills), grappling (clinch work, throws/takedowns, and ground fighting), weapons (knives,sticks, and improvised, as well as defenses), sparring drills (attack/defend, mini scenarios, and or free fighting), and if time permits a simple scenario or adrenal training. I hold a special High intensity complex scenario session once per month, usually on location. Once every two to three months I hold what I call a hell day. It is a group session with extremely hard and long sparring sessions; only a couple of my hard-core students even want to attempt this (since only a couple of students show up for it I have to particapate in it and it takes me 2-3 months to recover from it). It is much like Geoff Thompson’s animal days.
Last week we did a simple scenario where I had a police officer friend of mine come in and talk about legal issues and the scenarios we did involved handling a police interview after a SD situation. My police officer friend actually interviewed my students as if they were a suspect in an assault, this is a simple scenario, complex scenarios go into more depth.
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