Shaloin master in UFC

[Studiobuddy]

Could a Shaloin master last in UFC?

How'd you think he would do?

[Mr. Gordo]

He would get his butt handed to him.

[Hwa Rang]

Shaolin is such a complete art with punching, kicking and grappling. They also teach it in the Shaolin temple with western boxing now apparently. So I'd say that he would do pretty good, not that he'd win but he'd have a chance.

Some of the guys in the UFC that train for a year part time then enter it would obviously get obliviated when fighting someone who has been training for 10+ years for 8 hours a day.

[chris davis 200]

shaolin - what are we talkin about here - a shaolin monk from the Shaolin temple??

If so they have little actual combat skill - they are basically mainly Wu Shu atheletes put there by the Chinese government as a tourist trap.

If we are talking a master of shaolin Martial arts - who is not involved in this tourist rubbish - that probably lives no where near the temple etc then think they would stand a chance

Cheers
Chris

[CKD]

A Shaolin practicioner could do good in the UFC. Not sure about monks but Shaolin with basic grappling could succeed. Jason Delucia was really succesful with his Five Animals after he learned basic grappling. But finding a Shaolin practicioner that does not do crappy kung fu and that is willing to enter will be pretty hard. I remember a long time ago two monks were planning on entering mma but it never happened. Actually a Baji and Tanglang fighter has done really well in muay thai. He even set a world record. Here is the link http://crane.50megs.com/index6t.htm

[Thai Bri]

Its the age old style lie. He did well AFTER he did grappling..... Shaolin on its own didn't cut it.

[CKD]

Its the age old style lie. He did well AFTER he did grappling..... Shaolin on its own didn't cut it.

Couldn't you say the same about everyone else. Vanderli Silva wouldn't be doing good if he didn't know anything about grappling. So mt alone didn't cut it. Nog wouldn't be doing as well if he didn't know wrestling and boxing, BJJ alone wouldn't cut it. Yet those two are both good styles.

[Thai Bri]

You're missing the point. People often say this or that is a good style, and evidence it with names of great fighters....... But it is obvious that those fighters are not using the style quoted.

One of the most obvious examples was TKD Kimo fighting Royce Gracie. C'mon, how much of what he did was TKD? I think the term "Jack shit zero" comes to mind.

[CKD]

You're missing the point. People often say this or that is a good style, and evidence it with names of great fighters....... But it is obvious that those fighters are not using the style quoted.

One of the most obvious examples was TKD Kimo fighting Royce Gracie. C'mon, how much of what he did was TKD? I think the term "Jack shit zero" comes to mind.

I am not an expert in five animals but a lot of his strikes do look like they are from kung fu. Especially those kicks. But checking out Jason's series on Panther Videos I found out the proper name of his style is Combat Aikido . Everyone knows Kimo made up stuff about his style. But I thought he was Joe Son Do or something? His Panther series was called Fierce Fighting.

[AlexJitsu]

Its the age old style lie. He did well AFTER he did grappling..... Shaolin on its own didn't cut it.

Western Boxing on its own doesn't cut it.

...and you're wrong again. Jason Delucia beat the crap out of everyone in the early UFCs until the grappler, Royce Gracie took him out. He beat shootfighting, kyokushin, MMA, and various other styles that many of you consider "good". That's pretty damn good in my book.

[IPON]

Alexjitsu - I think you raise a great point. Most opinions from the UFC and like events are based on the headliners. The prelims/qualifying matches are rarely shown. In the early UFC there were a few shown and you did see pure KF or Karate win with KOs. Moving into the final main events you could argue the difference was experience in combat sports not just the style. Royce was undefeated in the UFC but didn't they throw the towel for one match (I think it was UFC). The early UFC IMHO had less to do with BJJ dominance as it dealt with a wake up call for practionioners to train hard and deal with a new area of attack. Royce's shooting was predictable and sloppy.
Royce beat 51 year old GM Ron vanClief within 2minutes (Actually it may have been less). Now if his first fight was not with Royce it would have been an interesting tornament. anyway now I am rambling

[Bjjexpertise@be]

Royce was undefeated in the UFC but didn't they throw the towel for one match (I think it was UFC).

I think the reason they threw in the towel was because couldn't see due to dehydration(or so they say).

[Thai Bri]

Western Boxing on its own doesn't cut it.

...and you're wrong again. Jason Delucia beat the crap out of everyone in the early UFCs until the grappler, Royce Gracie took him out. He beat shootfighting, kyokushin, MMA, and various other styles that many of you consider "good". That's pretty damn good in my book.

Who said Western Boxing did? Not me.

Jason Delucia fell at the first quality opponent. He then went off to try and learn how to grapple. So whats your point?

[AlexJitsu]

Who said Western Boxing did? Not me.

Jason Delucia fell at the first quality opponent. He then went off to try and learn how to grapple. So whats your point?

My point is that you shouldn't expect strikers to beat grapplers, it's near impossible.

I don't care if you said Western boxing did jack. You people rave so much about it, and then you say "Shaolin alone didn't cut it". Get a clue pal and quit dodging the topic. Boxers get their shit blown in NHB, even against strikers.

[Tom Yum]

Boxers get their shit blown in NHB, even against strikers.

Shannon Briggs, a former professional heavyweight boxer stepped into the ring for the first time in K-1 format. He won by KO within the first 2 minutes if I'm not mistaken.

On the flip side Francois Botha, also a former Heavyweight, has had difficulty against so-so K-1 fighters, but is getting better.

Both guys are new to the sport and used nothing but boxing in their bouts; they're learning how to deal with kicks as a boxer.