Kungfu is fake

[Broadsword2004]

What do you mean "wtf," in terms of natural fighting ability as a cat, tigers aren't too great. They will fight for what they care about, but that doesn't mean they are good at it.

[Oraenor]

are you training under buk sing choy li fut in vince lacey's school? his school and one other are the only two kung fu schools i found to be extremely competent. i have started to take muay thai and i agree with sanjiyan99 that it is a human style, stances are comfy, training is rigorous, uses all the body's main weapons. stop that shit about sending a tank after someone. you can't even handle the small gun between your legs, thanks to your mama and the draconian ban on firearms that your country australia has legislated. so forget that crap about sending a tank after someone because only a military officer can do that, not even an enlisted man. you're no military officer, and you're no fighter, just a FOCKER. you say this shit and that shit about combining animals was the same thing the stupid old sifu said. the only animal style you know is the one your mother taught you, the doggy style! now go combine with yo mama! ASSUME THE POSITION!

So you think muay thai is the only system that exist in the world for humans?

[jubaji]

fucking moron

What do you mean "wtf," in terms of natural fighting ability as a cat, tigers aren't too great. They will fight for what they care about, but that doesn't mean they are good at it.

wtf

I hope you are joking.

You couldn't have seriously thought about this nonsense unless you are a kid with an over-active imagination and an under-active ability to reason.

#1 What the **** would this have to do with anything?
#2 What criteria would be used to reach such a conclusion?
#3 What would lead you to believe you are qualified to judge such a thing (as if there were any purpose in doing so in the first place?)
#4 Why would I waste my time wondering about all this?

[Broadsword2004]

Uhhhh, the Koreans used to pit tigers against lions all the time and the tiger always lost is one way; also, from studies that have been done on tigers, it has been found that they do in fact care very much about their mates, and in general, tigers DO NOT like to fight. Also, you are partially right, I do have too much time on my hands and do do too much thinking

As for how is it relevant?? Well, you guys were arguing about animal fighting styles in martial arts, so I am just saying to make conclusions liek that the tiger fighting style is more aggressive is kind of stupid.

[Broadsword2004]

And jubaji, if you don't like my posts, follow simple logic: don't bother reading them!

[Broadsword2004]

Oh yeah as for the fighting mountain lions thing, that too has also been done by people, some have succeeded, others it has been found put up fights, but were still killed and eaten. By saying "Don't go try to find a mountain lion to try this....." I was just joking.

[sherwinc]

are you training under buk sing choy li fut in vince lacey's school? his school and one other are the only two kung fu schools i found to be extremely competent.

i read one of the articles in INSIDE KUNGFU MAGAZINE before i was in college years...... and i was truely impressed and convinced about their Charp Chiu's (variations of Leopard Knuckled Fists)

really a traumatic effect when landed to opponents vital points.....

Choy Li Fut KungFu

[Tom Yum]

Chinese martial arts

I watched a kungfu class where the students were learning how to catch kicks and pull or sweep their opponents off balance. If the kick came straight on, like a front kick or side kick and they trapped it, they'd step back while pulling on the leg and up they'd go. They would trap round house kicks, step straight in and sweep.

Very effective. Too bad though that their defenses agains punching weren't continuous or realistic. You can stop a kick after one kick is thrown, but when someone is going to throw 3 or 4 fast punches at your head and body, the best you can do is either try and counter punch while covering up or close for a clinch.

Seriously, are you going to attack by just throwing one punch and waiting for a response?

[Jeremy Lobdell]

Great point!

Tom Yum brings up a great point. Many traditional arts aren't designed to handle a aggressive puncher. Most traditionalists try to adapt their techniques to work against punching, but when these basic techniques were invented, western style punching, with its combos and angles of punching, wasn't around. From personal experience, I've seen highly accomplished martial artists try to use atemi waza as a defense against a punch. While it looks very effective against a single punch from a passive attacher, it was designed to defend against a grab. The same can be said for my instructors views (Burton Richardson)on trapping. Once you commit to a trap, if the attacker is throwing combos (even basic ones) you usually leave yourself open to eat the next shot.

[Shaolinkfman]

Thats why you do your damage fast. I used to do aikido and a lot of the moves i thought you might get hit in the process of doing them. My instructor told me, " Well think of it this way, the move your doing causes a spiral fracture in the shoulder, but he might hit you after you've done the move. Dont worry to much about this because while you might get a bruise from his punch, that will take a week or so to heal. He will be taking months of physical therapy just to be able to lift a pencil again."

[jubaji]

Uhhhh, the Koreans used to pit tigers against lions all the time and the tiger always lost is one way; .

Lots of lions in Korea, are there?

[jubaji]

And jubaji, if you don't like my posts, follow simple logic: don't bother reading them!

Or you could stop being stupid. That's another option.

[jubaji]

My instructor told me, " Well think of it this way, the move your doing causes a spiral fracture in the shoulder, ."

...you hope

[Shaolinkfman]

...you hope

With aikido its not you hope, its you do. The only reason I don't do aikido anymore is because it just did't fit me, but it is one of the most effective arts I have seen and done in my entire life

[jubaji]

With aikido its not you hope, its you do.

Nope, it's you hope.