Wing Chung V.S. Praying Mantis Clip full contact

[DAT]

"If you don't like the TCMA Dat perhaps you should go and roll with the BJJ boys."

I wish I could but I'm too old with too many battle injuries.
I have taken TCMA for close to 30 years including N. Shaolin, Hop Gar and Wing Chun. I love them and loved training in them. But I am a realist. Of all the arts I've studied WC is the most intelligent and effective art. And if you look at where I live you know that there are two world class WC instructors here and I have been with both, not to mention a third who came down from NYC with the other two...Francis Fong, Jason Lau. And my good friend in NYC Miguel Hernandez is another training buddy. I'd put these sifu up against any you have studied with up there.

I'm not putting the art down, I'm putting the BS instructors down who pass on garbage to students, give them a false sense of what they can or cannot do and then hear about them getting their ass kicked.

[SimonM]

I'm not putting the art down, I'm putting the BS instructors down who pass on garbage to students, give them a false sense of what they can or cannot do and then hear about them getting their ass kicked.

Well I'm one of the first to call bad martial arts when I see it taught regardless of their affiliation so I got no beef with you on that front.

It just seemed like you were tarring all WC with that paper-master's brush.

[DAT]

No problem Simon. Since day one I could never understand this type of "sparring". Why do TCMA folk have to copy TKD point competition? You cannot train the specific attributes of your style doing this crap. It will only take away from the nature of your art. At least for Wing Chun practioners. The genius of WC is that the system provides all the so-called "sparring" you need in the varying degrees of sticky hands and dummy practice. What I saw in that video makes about as much sense as a WC guy getting on the mat and working on passing the guard. And for god's sake why would a southern boxing stylist try to kick with a northern stylist? Do you not understand the nature of your art?

[Rank7]

whos the wise guy saying this was full contact

[Straight Blast]

LMFAO I've seen better fights on the playground back in elementary school. Lame ass TMA!

[SimonM]

LMFAO I've seen better fights on the playground back in elementary school. Lame ass TMA!

If you notice, us TMA types think that clip was lame ass too. Stop assuming that everything worth knowing about fighting has been developed in the last 30 years. Or that only TMA has lame-duck instructors who claim more real skill than they have.

[Bullshido]

If you notice, us TMA types think that clip was lame ass too. Stop assuming that everything worth knowing about fighting has been developed in the last 30 years. Or that only TMA has lame-duck instructors who claim more real skill than they have.

I've met some MMA instructors who are lame duck, too. In fact I've known a couple that have never even been inside the ring yet their students are there, gobbling up everything shown as though it were nector from the Gods.

[SimonM]

Precisely.

And I have met MMA instructors who were quite good fighters.

TMA or MMA doesn't matter. It's the skill of the instructor and the dedication of the student that matter.

[kosmo yagkoto]

I sure hope that those weren't fully functioning grown men, because if they were, that makes me cry for them at night.

[DVSJ]

http://users.1st.net/abaddon/kfo/wcvsmantissparring.wmv

enjoy

I'm sorry...I can't hold back.Those two guys may be able to take me out or a dead granny,whateaver,but please do not ever say they are experts representing Wing Chun or Praying Mantis.I didn't recognize any correct stances or technique...a master of these arts may be apalled that you bothered putting this on the web and related it to those styles of gung fu for all to mock.Trust me,to those who doubt...both those styles are ancient,deadly and street effective when applied correctly...depending on the individual applying whichever of the 2 styles,a real fight may last only a few seconds.No offense to anyone (sincerely),that video seemed to me as if 1 guy was too cautious and the other was glad...

[Tameo]

The wing chun guy always droped his guard, didnt attack right away and didn't use any good entrance techniques correctly. He was hopping on one foot sometimes and a good opponent would sweep him or knock him off balance. I cant say what the praying mantis was doing wrong because i know nothing about it.

[ddrive]

When it comes to sparring.

Just viewed the clip.

My thoughts are that, if this was full contact, then the two "combatants" could not beat my old Aunt Nelly in a fight. And she's been dead for 25 years!

Much flicky wristy flicky kicky in evidence. No injuries to anyone and, generally, appeared to look like a poor version of a semi contact bout.

The guy in the white T shirt occasionally put a move together, using forward drive and aggression. But he had no power in his strikes and, of course, a "break" was called when it went to the floor.

Now these guys may not pretend that thsi is an example of good technique for the street. But, if they do, they need their heads examining.

Studio Buddy. Just get in Tim's club and sweat. The results will come.

That clip was not sparring. Both parties looked like they were way too nervous to fully attack with all of their tools. If those two really wanted to spar, they should have put on some protective equipment and have a go. The outcome would be a lot different.

[theprophet]

wing chun vs. mantis

I've had some training in Traditional Wing Chun and I would have to agree that this guy was sloppy. His entries "bridging the gap" were kinda weak, his guard was too low and my Sifu always taught 50/50 weight distribution in the footwork.

[fwtaichi]

I liked this clip

this is a nice example of two guys messing around using their martial arts in a very good natured playful sort of way. The Fighter in me kept screaming "Oh for Pete's sake just clock the guy and quit kicking so high." Then I realized that these two were probably just some intermediate students getting used to the moves and distancing of two person work.

I take issue with everyone saying that their techniques weren't clean. Even the most expert martial artists seldom score a clean technique in an actual fight. You hit hard you hit fast and you keep hitting until the assailant goes down or beats you into submission.

[Capt Insaino]

I was a WC practitioner into the the third form. Call me crazy, but I'm pretty dang sure WC kicks are from the waist down. I saw side kicks, round houses. WTF? Both of the individuals in the video were open to be taken out of commission pretty much at any time in the sparring. Their footwork neither seemed to resemble WC. Also, neither tried to "bridge the gap" between themselves. It is well known that WC is best when in contact with your oponent. Once they came into contact with eachother it looked like a cat fight(no offense ladies). Thank you for posting. The humor in things like that make my day job easier to deal with.