How do kungfu guys fight Boxers ?

[holyman]

Is there kungfu style which allows u to fight boxers like Frank Bruno, Jack Dempsey, Mohammed Ali ?. My friend says that a boxer can beat hell into a kungfu guy. He says this guy who was studying some deadly form of praying mantis got his ass whipped by a boxer.

Does this mean kungfu is a waist of time for self defense ?. If a chinese master from china fights a boxer will he win ?

[koto_ryu]

They use face-to-fist style, as demonstrated in Kung Pow

[ryanhall]

"How do kungfu guys fight Boxers?"

Mostly by lying motionless, face-down on the ground after being knocked into next week. I believe that empirical evidence has shown this to be their most common, if not necessarily their preferred method.

[Tameo]

TWC works well against boxing. You just come in with a pak-sao punch and step to the blind side all the time. You use sidestep alot and no boxer will hit you. Just haveto watch the elbows to see what punch is comming.

[Tameo]

Are you talking about fighting a boxer with gloves or no gloves? If its with gloves TWC kung-fu people have a wider guard to see opponent better but if its with no gloves, boxers dont stand a chance, because its a sport and unlike TWC is not made for killing people but for beating someone up. TWC person can just do bui jee to eye or some other soft spot and boxer will be on the ground.

[Oraenor]

Get rid of a boxer's mobility first and then take care of business. A boxer's real strength is in their ability to get in and out of situations quickly and to take it away from them means that they cant escape/evade, lose power in their punches and cant advance quick enough.Boxers have 3 types of punches and 2 types of blocks, each with strengths and weakensses, learn to exploit them.
If in doubt, wrestle them!

[Shaolinkfman]

We need to elaborate on boxers more. If it's an all fist guy then the smart thing to do would be take out his legs so he can't dodge in and out. If you include kickboxing, it depends on the fighter. If the Kf guy is good, and the kickboxer is good, then they should be on level playing grounds. Stronger one or one who wants it the most would win. Also depends on style KF studied.

[koto_ryu]

TWC works well against boxing. You just come in with a pak-sao punch and step to the blind side all the time. You use sidestep alot and no boxer will hit you. Just haveto watch the elbows to see what punch is comming.

News flash: most boxers are sidesteppers themselves so just heading to a 45 degree angle won't be enough to make you untouchable. And watching the elbows will get you popped, if he drops to throw what you think are body hooks and pops up with an uppercut, he'll knock you right out of your little kung fu slippers.

Best way to beat a boxer? Break his knee or his instep to kill his mobility. Once he's on the ground, he's not going to be punching with any power and you can kick him while he's on the ground to your heart's content.

[Tom Yum]

When thaiboxers square off against boxers, they try to do just that. They use teeps (push kicks) or side kicks to keep him at a distance, then pick off leg kicks to the inside of the thigh, outside of the thigh and teeps to the shin.

If they both close the distance, the muay thai guy will go straight into the clinch & knee/elbow, even though he might know a little boxing, because he will loose on the punching game.

I don't know kung fu, but it would probably involve a similar strategy.

Tameo, I don't think you've ever sparred against a decent amateur boxer. They're as good if not better in mobility and footwork compared to kungfu guys. Boxers can hit as fast as wing chun fighters, but harder. They commit the entire body to the punch with good economy of motion.

Don't forget that sparring as practiced by boxers is spontaneous and dynamic. You can take whatever stance you want and throw punches however you like; you'll quickly find out if it works or not.

[Thai Bri]

Tameo is a prize prick.

I mean that in the nicest possible way.

[Broadsword2004]

I always considered boxing an integral part of martial arts training. It's like running. Sure, there are professional runners, but every martial artist should be at least a fairly decent runner. It's just such a basic, necessary skill.

I always viewed boxing like that. Sure, there are professional boxers, but every martial artist I think should be able to jump in and box. Punching is humankind's most primal fighting move. Apes punch each other. So boxing is like refining that to lethal precision. I don't know why boxing has to be viewed as such a separate martial art.

Viewing boxing as a totally separate martial art I think is like viewing kicking as a separate art too. But no one does. Just my opinion though.

As for kung-fu guys, I think a decent kung-fu guy will have studied boxing in his repertoire (I even read an article in a kungfu magazine once saying about how great boxing is to add into your kungfu training or martial arts training regardless), so I think he will know somewhat about what he/she is doing with the boxer. If it is a serious fight though, then the kungfu person would probably just try to take out the legs I'd think.

Kungfu may be watered down greatly these days due to commercialization, but a serious kungfu person I'd think would be pretty tough.

[HuSanYan]

well I have a few things to say here
firstly, sorry, but you KF guys are listening to yourselves/your instructors a little too much in that your delicate systems will fail most of the time vs a decent Boxer, and by decent I mean better than average amateur.

Never mind technique and side stepping, you are all missing a far more important issue in this argument. Anticipation, ie. seeing the punches or kicks coming at the point of the very beginning of ROM. This only comes from FULL contact sparring and a lot of it over time.

When did any of the KF guys in this thread last spend a weekend mildly concussed from sparring??? when did you last really mix it up???, when did you last punch an opponent hard, fast and with seriously well connected power???, how many of you can say, I took several hundred punches this week into body and head including painful ones right into the damn eyes, right on the nose, round the side of your jaw???

Well, I can say a big yes to all of my points above every single week, and amateur stuff it is not. I now spar with 2 Professional Boxers one of which half my age, the other only 22 (I am 39), so I know what I am talking about, I have now reached the stage where they will call me up on the phone for a sparring session because they get a good serious workout from it (and i am a heavy weight which they like I guess) this has taken me quite a while and enables me to comment at a standard far better than Amateurs or White Collar Boxers (these are lame, but good on em for getting in the ring).

Now, when I first started sparring with one of these guys, I missed almost all the time and got hit so much I was beginning to think that i was useless, but I kept on and on and now I have developed visual Anticipation which in itself is the making or breaking of a Boxing match/session, this is how you 'slip the jab' or slip a big punch or kick.

The above can be taken into consideration along with the type of training, ie. (in my case) sparring is on Friday, training is on Monday & Wednesday, not only bag and pad work and all the speed work with fitness but some brutal contact aspects such as laying on the ground getting a very heavy hard medicine ball slammed very hard or dropped from a height into the mid section several hundred times every single week, this toughens up all of the midsection so much that even very hard body punches only hurt a little, even when delivered round the sides (obliques).

So, to summarise, how can doing most KF styles, standing in a class or lesson punching the air, practicing with nice friendly partners and when and if you spar its probably with one of those virtual MotorBilke Helmets on (headgear with full face mask/guard), beat a boxer??, you can't, get real.

If you think I am simply mouthing off then you are wrong, boxing is not for everyone, you have to get hit hard a lot and thats all the difference that is needed.
As for me having any kind of track record to back up my statements, well,because of my age the UK ABA will not allow me to fight (cut off age 34 ) so I have had 3 unlicensed fights and have won them all, only 1 of which went for more than 3 rounds. Believe me when i tell you that some of the types of wankers & gypsies in the unlicensed scene, really get off on hurting people, I don't, but wanted to know what it was like to fight for real.

Tameo, you are not bright mate.
Oreanor, when did you last do that against a Boxer (and not some total newbie Boxer, for that matter)??

Boxers Rule The Roost MOFOs

[Shaolinkfman]

When did any of the KF guys in this thread last spend a weekend mildly concussed from sparring??? when did you last really mix it up???, when did you last punch an opponent hard, fast and with seriously well connected power???

Lets see, I don't know about other KF guys but i do it every week at least 3 times a week. I don't know where your getting some of this bull, mabye a bad experience with a poor instructor, but we always do sparring at my Kwoon. We do a lot of different types too; such as san shou, chin na, and full contact K-1 style.

[Tameo]

News flash: most boxers are sidesteppers themselves so just heading to a 45 degree angle won't be enough to make you untouchable. And watching the elbows will get you popped, if he drops to throw what you think are body hooks and pops up with an uppercut, he'll knock you right out of your little kung fu slippers.

Best way to beat a boxer? Break his knee or his instep to kill his mobility. Once he's on the ground, he's not going to be punching with any power and you can kick him while he's on the ground to your heart's content.

The human eye takes about .2 of a second to see something comming. A punch can be faster than .2 of a second therefore the best way to see punches comming is to watch the elbow. By watching the elbow you can determine wether it is going to be a hook, a jab, or uppercut.

[Tameo]

And boxers do not sidestep the same way they do in TWC.