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  • #31
    I wouldn't say aggression necessarily wins over skill, it depends. Leila Ali won a lot of her fights because her opponents were more aggressive then she was at the start, and she was calm and controleld them, then she'd come back at them hard as hell.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Tom Yum
      Are your full contact classes san shou or pure wingchun? big difference.
      In full contact classes we either put on head gear and gloves and spar with full contact using TWC or sometimes we have the other person just use basic boxer punches. Or sometimes we just put on gloves and practice full contact hitting of bags with basic punches and kicks. Like maybe we would do pak lap in air and come in with a combination of punches, 2 elbows, step out side kick and come in with another combo of punches etc.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Broadsword2004
        I wouldn't say aggression necessarily wins over skill, it depends. Leila Ali won a lot of her fights because her opponents were more aggressive then she was at the start, and she was calm and controleld them, then she'd come back at them hard as hell.
        Well she then came back at them hard as hell which i think is agression. An example would be two soccer teams. 1 is always on the offencive trying to score goals and the other is only trying to defend. The team that is attacking is going to eventually win even though the other might have better technique because it is always on the offencive and the other is only defending their goal.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Tameo
          No i expect boxer to come in with a a jab, jab, cross, hook or something like that and watching the elbows will help me see the punches as i position myself on his blind side and counterattack.
          Sounds like a sound strategy Spar with a boxer then you'll learn how to deal with one. And what if he's a kickboxer? You'll be so intent on his elbows you'll end with up a solid shin to the side of your dome.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by koto_ryu
            Sounds like a sound strategy Spar with a boxer then you'll learn how to deal with one. And what if he's a kickboxer? You'll be so intent on his elbows you'll end with up a solid shin to the side of your dome.
            Yea that might happen or I might deflect it and counter attack...remember he wouldnt be the only one attacking.
            its not like Im only going to watch the elbows. Ill watch the knees too and anything might happen, Im not saying im some invincible fighter who can react to anything in time.

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            • #36
              Although I'm a firm advocate of muay thai and western boxing...I wouldn't count Jun Fan trapping or wing chun out of a streetfight. Centerline principle works...and so do hits to the eyes and throat which aren't shown in Thai or boxing. (Although it's not hard to say...hmmm, I'll just splay my fingers and aim at the eyes for a jab this time 'round.) Trapping range works...but only IF you can pull it off...boxing, slugging, and thai require a lot less fine motor function, which makes them alot EASIER to utilize in a fight.

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              • #37
                well, ill tell you, i like kung fu alot, but i made the mistake of boxing a kid a while back. now, hes a good friend of mine, so i wasnt going for knee breaks and stuff that you might use in a real fight, but ill tell you, when boxers have gloves, theyre tough to beat with KF. alot of kung fu relys on manuverability of the hands, traps, catches, that kinda stuff. its all stuff that is really hard to do with large gloves on. gloves destroy your mobility. so you learn real fast that typical KF techniques wont work.

                so what did i do?

                well, ill tell you, so you can get off the edge of your seats. i put my hands up, got inside of his arms, and than hit him untill he backed off or did the duck and cover.

                in a real minues the gloves fight, it really depends. if he doesnt know you do KF, he might get over confident, which gives you an advantage. it also would depend, like somone else on here said (i forget who) on what style of KF it is, whos stronger, quicker, who doesnt have the sun in his eyes, that kinda thing.

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                • #38
                  most (not all) of the posts above are theories from theorists
                  if I do this then........
                  if he does this then........
                  this style against that style....

                  I repeat the question
                  when was the last time you actually did this in a fight against any other style?

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Broadsword2004
                    HuSanYan, you're not supposed to train your body that hard every week, especially at your age!! And you're not just supposed to get "slammed" in the midsection like that every week too, that's a great way to end up with some serious kidney damage and such later in life. Even Muay Thai boxers in training don't hurt themselves, nor do professional fighters. They spar, but keep it very light contact, but they train properly, so that when the real fight comes, they are ready. They spar lightly so that they do not get injured.

                    Don't believe that old baloney that you need to get seriously bruised up each week to be a good fighter. You only do that once in awhile to make sure you have the conditioning right, but doing it all the time is very, very unhealthy.

                    If you fight hard and get injured every week, you're going to end up with a lot of problems later on likely.
                    broadsword, i have just found the picture that i wanted (of exact headgear used).you are right about no 'fighting' every week, I dont, but i do full contact sparring and training.
                    now, for the 1st couple of rounds we do nice medium shots to get warmed up, this is with the headgear in the picture below, now this headgear is open faced but is very shock absorbant and pretty much stops cuts or serious bruises but is thin enough to still feel the impact, i have mentioned this head gear in another thread about headgear, it is state of the art in terms of shock abosrbancy but thinness.
                    Anyhow, this along with a good groin guard (also by TopTen) does make the serious contact injury free (most of the time). I would not take regular risks with my kidneys, in addition, this is the big reason why at my gym they wont let you spar if you dont do the serious fitness and midsection training, the make you train the core like nothing else which works, because when i manage to tense up when getting hit there, my abs are well strong enough to take the blow and we dont do Kidney punches when sparring, nor do we throw elbows like is done in unlicensed Boxing (uk). I have attached the picture of this great headgear which is made from a modern compund called 'BayFlex'.
                    As far as getting slammed in the midsection goes, well, it is very controlled, ie. i lay their and my coach (the 22 year old pro boxer) will say 'get ready', then he will bash the medicine ball starting less firm then progressing firmer to very hard but in quick sets of 30 or so and only when I am fully ready, ie. tensed up properly with legs raised a couple of inches up off the ground. This is very healthy training because my midsection has never been firmer all the way round and i dont get bruised there.
                    Its not like he takes a hammer and bashes

                    I do however, appreciate your advice in your post and thank you for it. hoping my answer clears up that aspect of my training as the gym I go to is a good pro gym with very good people there.
                    Just to finalise, the owner of the gym would go apeshit if he sees anyone trying to spar without the headgear. regards broadsword.

                    TameoI hope you dont actually depend on those awful dinky pinky little WC punches, you see, I did WC for a while and left it because of those vastly inadequate little punches.
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by HuSanYan
                      As far as getting slammed in the midsection goes, well, it is very controlled, ie. i lay their and my coach (the 22 year old pro boxer) will say 'get ready', then he will bash the medicine ball starting less firm then progressing firmer to very hard but in quick sets of 30 or so and only when I am fully ready, ie. tensed up properly with legs raised a couple of inches up off the ground. This is very healthy training because my midsection has never been firmer all the way round and i dont get bruised there.
                      Its not like he takes a hammer and bashes
                      That'll do it to yah.

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                      • #41
                        Is Tameo the serious younger brother of sherwinc? We may never know.

                        I love the way Wing Chun trains to beat other arts. For example: grapplers. They get non grappling Wing Chun guys to half heartedly (and unskillfully) grapple at them, and then beat them with superior Wing Chuin.

                        Boxers.... They get non boxing Wing Chun guys to half heartedly (and unskillfully) box them, and then beat them with superior Wing Chun.


                        Tameo - just post them clips again that impressed you so much. The ones of your Wing Chun Gods looking like poor Thai Boxers....

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                        • #42
                          No actually we have a few experienced people who came from other styles. A amateur boxer with around 30 knockouts, some people who came from jiu jitsu or some other grapling and I myself did freestyle wrestling for more than 2 years.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Thai Bri
                            Is Tameo the serious younger brother of sherwinc? We may never know.

                            I love the way Wing Chun trains to beat other arts. For example: grapplers. They get non grappling Wing Chun guys to half heartedly (and unskillfully) grapple at them, and then beat them with superior Wing Chuin.

                            Boxers.... They get non boxing Wing Chun guys to half heartedly (and unskillfully) box them, and then beat them with superior Wing Chun.


                            Tameo - just post them clips again that impressed you so much. The ones of your Wing Chun Gods looking like poor Thai Boxers....
                            In the clip that is named Boztepe sparring, he is attacked by kihon oi tsuki (lunge punch)and bad ones at that, even though in competition the reverse punch is about the only "punch" that is done

                            All in all the attacks look like they are from someone with less than 2 weeks of training in the arts they claim the attacks come from

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by HuSanYan
                              TameoI hope you dont actually depend on those awful dinky pinky little WC punches, you see, I did WC for a while and left it because of those vastly inadequate little punches.
                              In gloves they have little power but withought gloves they can be really painfull if done properly, can even knock you out. When we do bag work or sparring in gloves we use a wider guard and the punches arent the same as the usual wc punches. Also we use L hooks alot when sparring with gloves. I dont know who you have learned to do wc punches from but there are a lot of horrible instructers out there that dont know how to punch themselves.

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                              • #45
                                Boxing vs. Kung Fu

                                In theory, many Kung Fu styles do have more options than Western Boxing does, but that is not because of natural superiorty, but in the nature of the style and how, where, and why it developed.

                                Boxing is an effective style and is more complicated than most MA's realize, especially in the Eastern MA's.

                                Someone like(not necessarily these two) Muhammad Ali with his speed, length, and footwork or a Mike Tyson with Power, Speed, and Aggressiveness would be difficult for anyone in any art to defeat, even in BJJ, unless they can take them down immediately.

                                Multiple Styles to apply(Boxing, Slugging-see Boxing styles post)
                                Multiple Combinations from all angles to the head and body
                                Sliding, Dancing, Evasive Footwork
                                Head, Body, and Hand Movement in many directions

                                Kung Fu is amazing, and is very versatile, but some of you Kung Fu guys need to get realistic and give respect where respect is due.

                                Any style is effective against another if you know how to use if properly

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