Capieora VS Tae kwon do?

[TheMantis]

wada you guys reckon if a tae kwon do master and a capieora master went up against each other in the ring? I've always wondered because both martial arts involve alotta kicks and jumping "n" spinning around. Both guys of equal strengths & weaknesses. Themantis

[sherwinc]

wada you guys reckon if a tae kwon do master and a capieora master went up against each other in the ring? I've always wondered because both martial arts involve alotta kicks and jumping "n" spinning around. Both guys of equal strengths & weaknesses. Themantis

I think Tae Kwon Do will win because they have the alphabets of hand chopping or "Shuto in Karate", as what i see in Hee Il Cho's Book of hand chopping to form a calous barrier on the knife hand edges.....

[Bjjexpertise@be]

I'd just like to let you know this thread is gunna get nasty if you don't shut it down or close it soon.

[HtTKar]

Oh yeah. Thats right.
the alphabets of hand-chopping

http://where.com/scott.net/asl/abc.html

Surely TKD master will win with these techniques.

[koto_ryu]

In all actuality my money would go on the capoeira fighter. A skilled capoeira fighter can do some seriously sick stuff, and I doubt a TKD practitioner could even contemplate some of the things their opponent was pulling off.

[HtTKar]

I really do agree with you Koto. I have fought many TKD people, so I kind of have expectations of things that they might try. Tricks they may try to pull on me, or what have you.
I have never fought a capoeira fighter, and would most likely be mesmerized by their slyness. Everything I know about Capoeira was learned in video games, reading books, and internet research......not a lot of help there. But are there "Master" Capoeira fighters? What criteria is there to become a master in Capoeira?

[sherwinc]

I really do agree with you Koto. I have fought many TKD people, so I kind of have expectations of things that they might try. Tricks they may try to pull on me, or what have you.
I have never fought a capoeira fighter, and would most likely be mesmerized by their slyness. Everything I know about Capoeira was learned in video games, reading books, and internet research......not a lot of help there. But are there "Master" Capoeira fighters? What criteria is there to become a master in Capoeira?

i really hate TaeKwonDo arts but when the distance between you and your opponent is concerned...... in a long distance kicking..... Tae Kwon Do will surely win the fight.... why?????

because of their techniques in kicking seems illusion to the eye of the defender......

[HtTKar]

Then sherwinc, you have never studied the capoeira fighter.
They are the illusionists. Their whole art is in disguise as a sort of dancing. What can be a better illusion than that.

Copoeira has refined long distance striking and athleticism.
Check out this link for more information

http://www.wu-wien.ac.at/usr/h96b/h9650297/cap-basics.html

[koto_ryu]

Being a master in Capoeira (at least how I remember it) is a bit different from other martial arts, as it really implies that you have a lot of students. Some of the styles do now use a rope ranking method similar to Jigoro Kano's system but really it depends on how long you've been doing it and how dedicated you are. I've seen a 43 year old Brazilian man do nearly 100 reverse pushups with one leg up in the air and not even break a sweat; it was part of his warmup before class. I followed a more Regional style but we had elements of Angola in them (Regional tends to be flashier than Angola, whereas Angola is more economical).

As for techniques, they certainly have their fair share of interesting ones. Their "stance" alone (ginga) is difficult to follow. They do use their hands, as many people forget, including punches, ear slaps, backfists, knife-hand strikes, elbows, eye gouges, and "telefone" (a double hand slap to the ears). They also use headbutts and actually have a technique called arpao de cabeca, which is basically a charging headbutt to the chest or stomach (and which will make you lose your lunch in a hurry).

They emphasize a lot of dodging and evasive manuvers, often combined with kicks themselves. They also had their fair share of sweeping kicks and takedowns to get their opponent to the ground, where they would stomp them into the turf. As for kicking, well, they have a truckload

Meia lua de frente (front kick)
Armada (backwards spinning kick)
Queixada (crescent kick)
Martelo-do-chao (a crescent kick from the floor to someone who is standing) Chapa-de-costa (a side kick from the floor to someone who is standing)
Bencao (lunging front kick)
Martelo-em-pe (roundhouse kick)
Meia lua de compasso (a vicious spinning kick where you twist to the side, put your hands on the ground, and your leg goes whipping viciously at the head or body of your opponent)
Raistera and banda (low sweeps)
Cruzado (the Bruce Lee side kick basically)

This is all I learned but some of the ones I do know of that I haven't are:

Tesoura (leaping double-leg takedown (double leg meaning your own legs))
S-dobrado (a really sick move: you basically squat to the ground and bounce up into a one-arm handstand flipping your legs and whole body onto your opponent)
Chibata (like meia lua de compasso but no hands on the ground)
Voo-do-morcego (a running side jumpkick with both legs; think Tekken Tag)
Macaco (similar to s-dobrado but used on a person behind you)
Meia lua pulada (just plain fucking cool: essentially a spinning handstand kick to the side)
Compasso (similar to meia lua pulada but over your head to the front)

[Broadsword2004]

Cool, I never knew Capoeira had hand techniques. I mean, I did kinda suspect it, but you know how everyone says Capoeira uses no hands.

[koto_ryu]

Cool, I never knew Capoeira had hand techniques. I mean, I did kinda suspect it, but you know how everyone says Capoeira uses no hands.

They use elbows and knees too, forgot to mention those.

[Broadsword2004]

That is slick, I gotta find a decent Capoeira school around here; b-boying and Capoeira are a lot alike acrobatics-wise, so that also is cool.

[Tom Yum]

I think Tae Kwon Do will win because they have the alphabets of hand chopping or "Shuto in Karate", as what i see in Hee Il Cho's Book of hand chopping to form a calous barrier on the knife hand edges.....

Do you make alphabet soup?

[Crucible]

So, I used to do capieora in the early 90's and the group I trained with actually did this for fun. They drove down to a karate/kung-fu/taekwondo tournament and pretended they were blackbelts so they could get in. They didn't lie about what they were practicing but this is before anybody had ever seen capieora. So, they all won their matches(it was a piont sparring tournament), the guy who was pure capieora did a lot better then my buddy who was capieora and hapkido. The outcome might be slighty diffrent today just because some of capieora moves are more known to the public but then the competitiors weren't able to deal with the constant motion, changes in elevation, range and bobbing and weaving. Actually in the first match as soon as one of the guys began to "jinga" the other competiter looked paralyzed, like "WTF!". Mostly what got people was kicks where you fade from there movement and your kick comes back around from underneath their original kick. I think the technique sounded something like "melooey" or something, you'll have to forgive me. I'm not up on portugeese spelling.

[Crucible]

A few other things, my buddy who also did hapkido was an instructor in hapkido and had maybe 6 months of capieora. The Pure capieora guy had maybe two or three years. I don't know how long it takes to become a balck belt in traditional north asian MA's but everyone they fought was in the blackbelt division, and with the people they fought at that paticular tournament no one was prepared for any of the techniques changes or movements they did. More shocked or uncertain than anything.
But like I said this was about ten year ago, It might look diffrent of a bunch of capieristas went into a tournament today and did the same thing..