Fighting against someone 2x your size!

[47MartialMan]

Cool.

47MM, you've been doing Chinese, Japanese and Korean arts for 37 years.

Congratulations, not many people can say that.

It is easy if your pushing 50 like I am.

Started, at the age of 10, in various Japanese arts for about 10 years.

Afterwards, went into various Korean arts for about the same.

Now, doing Chinese arts for the past 17-18 years.

This was always based on what was available in my area/locale.

Every art and instructor I had, I had learned something from. I even had learned some things from "would-be charletains".

My member name is antiquated.
It means-
47= my age last year.
Martial Man=my desire and liking to all Martial Arts (though I disagree with some tactics from each)

[Tameo]

Ive seen guys take a extreme hit and keep going.

Look at this way, a bull is at close distance and charging, do you think you have time to "think" about what to do?

Well with enough practice you dont have to think your body reacts a certain way withought having to think about it. Muscle memory tells you to sidestep or do something else when something is charging at you (im not saying dodging a bull and hitting him in the eye would be easy, but if its a human and you train against this scenario enough its really not that hard.

[Tameo]

Do you realize how hard and how less frequent this is in a real confrontation?

I reallize that I have been in a fight with a much bigger person than me and a wing chun rolepunch was all that was needed to knock him out.

[Tameo]

When sparring a much bigger opponent of course you have to use more footwork and be a little faster than if your fighting someone your own size, but once you get an chance to lang a clean shot it could be a knockout in real life, no matter how big your opponent, the bigger the opponent the bigger the target is the way to think about it.

[couch]

Just to add....

If someone is bigger and stronger than you, use a stronger weapon: The Feet.

Take the opponent out at the knees and start to use kicks. And never stop till they drop or you have a moment to get away.

If you take their foundation away from them, you have a greater chance of controlling the outcome.

Peace,
Couch

[47MartialMan]

Well with enough practice you dont have to think your body reacts a certain way withought having to think about it. Muscle memory tells you to sidestep or do something else when something is charging at you (im not saying dodging a bull and hitting him in the eye would be easy, but if its a human and you train against this scenario enough its really not that hard.

It is not muscle memory that has you to react a certain way. Muscle memory is a term used in muscle conditioning-not application. Tactics are practiced to increase tactical reflexes. Tactical reflexes are learned responses directed when certain stimulus (per a attack) is applied.

And you can trained in as many scenarios (or tactical stimulus) and will still have each situation and the outcome become slighty different than class study.

Thinking that what you practice and learn isnt not an entire gurantee that such is always applicable.

It would be like a professional race car driver believing that he could not get into a vehicular accident with his personal car.

[47MartialMan]

I reallize that I have been in a fight with a much bigger person than me and a wing chun rolepunch was all that was needed to knock him out.

But this may not always be the case.

One ought not believe that they will succeed or win every confrontation.

[47MartialMan]

When sparring a much bigger opponent of course you have to use more footwork and be a little faster than if your fighting someone your own size, but once you get an chance to lang a clean shot it could be a knockout in real life, no matter how big your opponent, the bigger the opponent the bigger the target is the way to think about it.

Not so true. Big people can be agile and move fast. Actually, the tactics should not be less when against a small person vs a large. There should be consistancy. Landing a "clean shot" will not always be the case.

[fwtaichi]

Realistically speaking he's got a physical and psychological advantage on you because of his size. This is where training is going to come in. If you've been working hard, doing conditioning, practicing your attacks and counters like a fiend, been psychologically preparing yourself then your odds are better. If you want to have a real chance of fighting a huge opponent then what you really need is to train with that in mind. If you want to take him out in one hit train so that you can apply maximum force in every technique and train hard. Strategy is all well and good strategy is something you prepare before the fighting starts. When the fighting starts you need to know your stuff without conscious thought, you need to be aware of what the Behemoth there before you is doing rather than what you think he might be doing. Really it's my experience that fighting comes down to awareness of what is going on right then and there. If the big guy is fat, out of shape but aware and you are blocking his perfect matrix style kung fu move in your head then his big meaty fist is going to slam right into your well trained head. (It's happened to me more than once in my 18 years of martial arts experience) If you train hard though, train to the point where the reactions are there without conscious planning then your chances are better. So train hard at whatever it is you want to do grappling, kicking, punching, joint locking... the technique doesn't really matter much. The ability to apply it fast, powerful, and without conscious thought. That is where the real secret is in my opinion.

[47MartialMan]

Interesting-

Realistically speaking he's got a physical and psychological advantage on you because of his size. This is where training is going to come in. If you've been working hard, doing conditioning, practicing your attacks and counters like a fiend, been psychologically preparing yourself then your odds are better. If you want to have a real chance of fighting a huge opponent then what you really need is to train with that in mind.
But this is no guarantee.

If you want to take him out in one hit train so that you can apply maximum force in every technique and train hard.
Taking out someone with one hit is rare

Strategy is all well and good strategy is something you prepare before the fighting starts. When the fighting starts you need to know your stuff without conscious thought, you need to be aware of what the Behemoth there before you is doing rather than what you think he might be doing.
There is no total understanding of what someone is doing. There is no thinking. I have seen guys get snuck/sucker punched as they were unaware that they offended someone.

Really it's my experience that fighting comes down to awareness of what is going on right then and there.
Ditto on the above, awareness is not always there.

If the big guy is fat, out of shape but aware and you are blocking his perfect matrix style kung fu move in your head then his big meaty fist is going to slam right into your well trained head.
What.....explain..

(It's happened to me more than once in my 18 years of martial arts experience) If you train hard though, train to the point where the reactions are there without conscious planning then your chances are better. So train hard at whatever it is you want to do grappling, kicking, punching, joint locking... the technique doesn't really matter much.
The technique does matter per the specific application.

The ability to apply it fast, powerful, and without conscious thought. That is where the real secret is in my opinion.
The real secrets are:
.... not to be in a confrontation in the FIRST place.
.....remain calm and low tone.
.....walk away
.....do not be under-confident, nor over-confident.

[DimMak]

Originally Posted by fwtaichi


Really it's my experience that fighting comes down to awareness of what is going on right then and there.(fwtaichi)

Ditto on the above, awareness is not always there.(47MartialMan)

If the big guy is fat, out of shape but aware and you are blocking his perfect matrix style kung fu move in your head then his big meaty fist is going to slam right into your well trained head.(fwtaichi)

What.....explain..(47MartialMan)

I UNDERSTAND fwtaichi TO BE SAYING "FIGHT IN THE NOW, NOT IN THE FUTURE" or "USE ALL ONE'S SENSES AND TEACHINGS TO DETERMINE WHAT YOUR OPPONENT IS NOW DOING, AS OPPOSED TO PREDICTING WHAT HE WILL DO"...
ALTHOUGH I MAY BE MISINTERPRETING (DimMak)


The real secrets are:
.... not to be in a confrontation in the FIRST place.
.....remain calm and low tone.
.....walk away
.....do not be under-confident, nor over-confident.(47MartialMan)

THIS (real secrets) IS VERY GOOD ADVICE...(DimMak)

[Tom Yum]

The real secrets are:
.... not to be in a confrontation in the FIRST place.
.....remain calm and low tone.
.....walk away
.....do not be under-confident, nor over-confident.(47MartialMan)

THIS (real secrets) IS VERY GOOD ADVICE...(DimMak)

I agree.

Sometimes personalities can compliment one another, sometimes they can destroy one another.

A natural, comfortable extrovert + A good listener = Good company

Two natural, comfortable extroverts = Great company

Two natural, comfortable introverts = Great company

A natural,comfortable extrovert + A natural,comfortable introvert = Odd couple

A nautral, comfortable introvert + A good listener = Odd couple no. 2

[47MartialMan]

I UNDERSTAND fwtaichi TO BE SAYING "FIGHT IN THE NOW, NOT IN THE FUTURE" or "USE ALL ONE'S SENSES AND TEACHINGS TO DETERMINE WHAT YOUR OPPONENT IS NOW DOING, AS OPPOSED TO PREDICTING WHAT HE WILL DO"...
ALTHOUGH I MAY BE MISINTERPRETING

given these words;
you need to be aware of what the Behemoth there before you is doing rather than what you think he might be doing.

So in essence, I am interpreting this as one must focus on the present situation and not be concerned about the outcome?

[DimMak]

I agree.

Sometimes personalities can create conflict.

For example someone who is an extrovert can inspire malicious feelings in others without even intending to.

This is true.
Much like a new Bouncer or Security Man entering into an established Bar or Club with many regulars. One may also call this individual a constant observer, who then becomes active within those surroundings.

[Tom Yum]

This is true.
Much like a new Bouncer or Security Man entering into an established Bar or Club with many regulars. One may also call this individual a constant observer, who then becomes active within those surroundings.

You are referring to the ramp up time it takes for the bouncer to learn the regulars?