had my first wing chun class today

[Thai Bri]

Everyone is laughing at you on bullshido!

You say that as if its a bad thing?

[AlexJitsu]

You say that as if its a bad thing?

Depends on what aspect you look at. At least they generally don't think Chinese arts suck without evidence.

Maybe you should quit saying "Wing Chun sucks" and "t3h shr3dd3r rules", and come up with something constructive. Tell us WHY you think Wing Chun "sucks", and don't say "because their training sucks", we're talking specifically about the art.

[MrPARaNoiD]

Is tai chi a black sash form of wing chun? or am i way off?

[AlexJitsu]

Is tai chi a black sash form of wing chun? or am i way off?

Ha...no. Tai Chi is like, completely opposite of Wing Chun as far as fighting principles...they're two different martial arts.

[martialartist88]

You suggest there's a difference between full contact fighting and muay thai rules? Old-school muay thai used to be fighting to the death. It was considered brutal and adopted rounds and western style boxing gloves in the 1920s.

You think thai boxers don't fight full contact and wear lots of protection.

hmm... i guess you can say tht about all martial arts if you date back in time. Wasn't all martial arts that originated in the past created to protect and kill? Chiense martial arts, japanese martial arts, korean.. any.. all from the past.. and all meant to defend and kill. And yes there is a difference between full contact fighting (no rules) and muay thai rules.. in muay thai, i dont think you can do any sort of joint manipulation, cannot kick straight to the knees... and oh i donno.. but yes it is still very brutal... but not fully full contact.

-JON

[martialartist88]

[QUOTE=Thai Bri]Martial Artists88? Who said I judged the art by watching clips? I merely said that people who claim it to be effective have no clips of it being so. By the way I devoted 12 hard months to Wing Chun, training for hours every day. I found out for myself just how supposedly effective it is. Or is not.[QUOTE]

hmm... who said you judged the art by watchign clips? well... i guess watching UFC.. or K1.. would be considered watching... a video of some sort... now... one of your claims about wing chun was that WC is ineffective because they have never set the lights in UFC or k1.... now... who said you judged the art by watching clips? you did..

and... like i said before.... an ineffective style for you, may not be for someone else. For people who are physically smaller then others, it is to their advantage to take an art that best suits them.. and that art would be one of the softer arts.... and for someone that is packed with muscle... a soft art may not be their best choice..... but rather boxing of some sort..... this does not go to all people.. there may be larger people in soft arts.. and smaller peopel in hard fighting.... but in the end... its what suits them best... yes u took one whole year of wing chun.. from what you say... u devoted a lot of heart into your training... but you must consider the fact that you can not make a rabbit slam harder then a bull. its impossible.. your into bushido... its the art that suits u perhaps.. thats whhy ur in it. However, jsut because wing chun doesnt suit you, you can not generalize that the whole art in itself sucks ass and is ineffective.. your being too judgemental... be more open.. the art didnt suck .. the art sucked for you.

-JON

[Tom Yum]

And yes there is a difference between full contact fighting (no rules) and muay thai rules.. in muay thai, i dont think you can do any sort of joint manipulation, cannot kick straight to the knees... and oh i donno.. but yes it is still very brutal... but not fully full contact.
-JON

How many times have you busted someone's knee caps while fighting full contact?

[martialartist88]

How many times have you busted someone's knee caps while fighting full contact?

hmm i dont know where your going with this but my question was refering to the even that happened in the 70's. Was it under muay thai rules or no.

[Tom Yum]

You said that real full contact fighting involves joint manipulation and kicking knee caps as apposed to 'muay thai rules' which only allow elbows to the head & body, punches, knees to the head & body, clinching & sweeps and kicks....I guess that makes it inferior to kung-fu fighting

If you're talking about a no rules fight, then just come out and say so.

I can admit I'm not talented enough for a Thai-rules fight against a pro-thai fighter (I'm quite sure I'd get killed by the end of the 1st round if not KOd by the start of the 2nd). If you guys are sparring 'full contact' with joint locks and kicking knee caps, more power to you. Have you ever sparred a professional fighter before? They can toy with you, even when you're throwing good, hard shots and trying to press the action.

How long does a busted knee cap take to heal before you can train again?

[martialartist88]

You said that real full contact fighting involves joint manipulation and kicking knee caps as apposed to 'muay thai rules' which only allow elbows to the head & body, punches, knees to the head & body, clinching & sweeps and kicks....I guess that makes it inferior to kung-fu fighting

If you're talking about a no rules fight, then just come out and say so.

I can admit I'm not talented enough for a Thai-rules fight (I'm quite sure I'd get killed by the end of the 1st round if not KOd by the 2nd). If you guys are sparring 'full contact' with joint locks and kicking knee caps, more power to you.

How long does a busted knee cap take to heal?

Umm.... I think you've gotten things confused...
Your missing the point here. Im not trying to promote Chinese Martial Arts in any way. I just asked a simple question of whether the event in the 70s was under muay thai rules or no rules. I only wanted an answer of yes under muay thai rules, or no, under no rules, or limited rules.

-JON

[martialartist88]

Ok it may seem like im trying to make Thai boxing inferior to Chinese kung fu, but i only wanted a reply. You stated that 6 kung fu masters were invited to a dual of some sort in thai land with thai boxing champs, and they were all dropped by KO's. Now that my friend, is exactly promoting thai boxing and degrading chinese martialartists. If it were under muay thai rules, and most likely it was.. since it was in the 1970s... then that shows that the 6 kung fu masters did not lose to a battle of arts, but a battle at muay thai.

-JON

[Tom Yum]

Umm.... I think you've gotten things confused...
Your missing the point here. Im not trying to promote Chinese Martial Arts in any way. I just asked a simple question of whether the event in the 70s was under muay thai rules or no rules. I only wanted an answer of yes under muay thai rules, or no, under no rules, or limited rules.

-JON

See for yourself. Do a google search.

How often are you guys doing no-rules full contact training ?

[martialartist88]

See for yourself. Do a google search.

How often are you guys doing no-rules full contact training ?

hmm... i dont recall mysefl saying anything about me doing any sort of full contact training. I only explained the difference of full contact vs muay thai rules. So.. where did you hear me talking about me doing full contact training?

[Tom Yum]

Ok it may seem like im trying to make Thai boxing inferior to Chinese kung fu, but i only wanted a reply.

Ofcourse you were just innocently asking...<cough> bullsheet

You stated that 6 kung fu masters were invited to a dual of some sort in thai land with thai boxing champs, and they were all dropped by KO's. Now that my friend, is exactly promoting thai boxing and degrading chinese martialartists. If it were under muay thai rules, and most likely it was.. since it was in the 1970s... then that shows that the 6 kung fu masters did not lose to a battle of arts, but a battle at muay thai.
-JON

Credit goes where its due.

Sanshou is where kung-fu is.

[martialartist88]

Ofcourse you were just innocently asking...<cough> bullsheet



Credit goes where its due.

Sanshou is where kung-fu is.

innocently asking.. yes i was

and if you put it that way.."credit goes where its due" then..
hmm alright.. thats fair.. no more comment.

-JON