Practice vs fighting?

[aku aku]

Hello,

How closely does the way you practice kung fu resemble the way you spar or fight? For example, many systems practice low, strong stances to develope leg strength but do you use the same low stances when fighting? Another one I've wondered about; The choy li fut class I went to for a while had us pulling our hands to our hips or throwing them behind us when punching. I realize that the applications for many of these are pulls or grabs while you strike with the other hand and that's fine if that's what you're doing but it's the only way we practiced. Would people do it that way by habit when it's a real fight?

What differences are there between the way kung fu is practiced and the way it is used?

Thanks.

[Garland]

sure, I've seen people pay dearly for chambering their fists at their hips in fights...Because.........it's, estupido, always....
from now on, I always say, always...
ever seen that mad tv skit, the depressed persian tow truck man???
that shit is hilarious....
but yeah, practice forms habit...yada yada yada...if practice makes perfect, and nobodies perfect, why practice, am I right, or am I right??


that's right kids...

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much love, I'm out....

[SamuraiGuy]

You guys got any crack?

Uhh.. I got some weed in my bag?

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If someone was about to fight me and they set up to punch from the hip I would laugh, then.. break you... CAUSE IM FUCKING EXTREEEEEEEEEEEEEMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Tjang]

May be.

May be those practices are supposed to train some basic things that will not be achieved if we skipped them. May be trainers should differentiate training basic and training fights. May be those basic are just like practice of push-up or sit-up, which you will never do in fighting, but you need the practice anyway to imporve certain strengths or endurance. May be ... may be...

May be when one fight he should not punch in the way he practice... may be training basic punching should be different from training real-fight punching. May be without doing those low stances, we will miss some valuable treasure in term of firmness or something else, may be when fighting one should not (always) stand in those low stances, but he can use the fruit of such practice ....

May be what I say is nonsense, may be everything I say is right... please don't judge me, but find out the answer for our goodness. And don't forget to share...

[SimonM]

Hello,

How closely does the way you practice kung fu resemble the way you spar or fight?

Martial arts styles are the way they are for a reason. If you are trained to fight CLF or WC or HG or whatever why would you fight like American Kenpo Kickboxing whenever you were in a real fight. Find some sparring partners who don't mind practicing without pads; not wearing boxing gloves will help at first.

[SimonM]

sure, I've seen people pay dearly for chambering their fists at their hips in fights.

Well if your style is no good at SD that's what you get for thinking you can fight.

That's why I like:

Hung Gar for Strength, Stability, Fists and throws (drool).
Shaolin Lohan Quan for fluidity, speed and strong legs.
Wing Chun for artfulness and guile.
Dragon Palm for unexpected kicks and good shaking power.

My personal training regimen
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[Garland]

Yeah...
that's why I like;
Muay Thai
Western Boxing
Shooto and BJJ
JKD w/ some Wing Chun for trapping
and.....
the FMA...namely Inosanto blend, Sayoc, and Dekiti Tirsia...w/ whatever silat I can get.

[aku aku]

Well if your style is no good at SD that's what you get for thinking you can fight.

That's why I like:

Hung Gar for Strength, Stability, Fists and throws (drool).
Shaolin Lohan Quan for fluidity, speed and strong legs.
Wing Chun for artfulness and guile.
Dragon Palm for unexpected kicks and good shaking power.

My personal training regimen
^
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So you practice the same way you spar or fight? That's what I was wondering. I realize that different styles look the way they do for a reason but I'm trying to understand the reasons why traditional styles do things that would be considered bad form by more modern systems.

[SimonM]

So you practice the same way you spar or fight? That's what I was wondering. I realize that different styles look the way they do for a reason but I'm trying to understand the reasons why traditional styles do things that would be considered bad form by more modern systems.

Yes! Why would I practice a FIGHTING movement and not use it in fighting? Why would I practice a martial arts movement that was useless for FIGHTING? (Well, for dynamic tension conditioning but that is a different form of training.) What is the point of taking martial arts if you just default back to haymakers when the chips are down?

[aku aku]

Yes! Why would I practice a FIGHTING movement and not use it in fighting? Why would I practice a martial arts movement that was useless for FIGHTING? (Well, for dynamic tension conditioning but that is a different form of training.) What is the point of taking martial arts if you just default back to haymakers when the chips are down?

I agree with you completely. I have been to classes though where they said, "Practice it this way but in a fight you would do it more like this." I didn't stay with those styles because I wasn't comfortable with that approach. They also practice things that would be considered bad ideas by some: standing flat footed, dropping the guard, pulling the fist to the hip, standing in a low stance, etc. I wondered if the people who practice that way actually fight the same way or if they modify it for sparring or fighting.