From Wing Tsun to Wing Chun

[phenom]

yes but by all means its not a slow punch my sifu believes in making those punches count you see alot of wing chun people striking like fairys to the chest area bad habit.The straight punch can be alot more effective with hip and shoulder.

[gabbah]

I agree. Sounds like good wing chun.

[phenom]

if your ever in melb australia your welcome to drop by my sifu is open minded to all sorts of ideas he has twenty years wing chun experience boxing background mantis kung fu and various wushu weapondry we train muay thai for san shou

[Thai Bri]

Sounds to me like he cross trains. Now that is good, but not when he still calls it Wing Chun.

[SmallThought]

Good old Uaeng Vtseung...

To truely understand the differences between Wing Chun styles you need to look beyond the spelling and more closely at the practice.

Every system has it's weekness, but which has the fewest?
Are the weeknesses of the basic system adressed anywhere in the advanced areas?
Do you really think any martial art will only have one punch, two kicks and a few finger jabs?
Does any art that claims to be effective with such really hold any weight?

I wont go any further into this because:

A/ It will probably start yet another interfaction war over the "true" Wing Chun, and,
B/ You can not teach a system over an internet forum.

I am bias to my system of Wing Chun. It is the only system of martial arts i have studied in any depth, and i believe three years as a full time student (13 years in total) is some depth. Before Wing Chun i dabbled with backyard Muay Thai & Free Style Karate, basic Boxing and held my own in countless school yard/street brawls; nothing grabbed me as being as logical or practical as the system of Wing Chun i studied. Yet i am also disenchanted with certain individuals within my school's organisation.

The point, i guess, is that fighting well, teaching well, running a business well and being a good person are not always attributes that go hand in hand.

To me, this is as much of an important lesson for life as anything else the martial arts can teach you.

[Red Rum]

phenom - who is your Sifu? If you say William Cheung, you will lose my vote

As for the differences between VT, WT, WC etc, it is just a change of name. Like Pepsi and Coca Cola are different names even though they are the same type of drink

The moves are practically the same

[peppi]

The wing chun system is sound and simple but the money, politics and the human factor make it rather complicated.

[Happy Cat]

I am a Oakland JKD guy myself, so I see these posts from that perspective.

If you are interested in a modified Wing Chung that is designed for the street, then it is hard to go wrong with Oakland JKD. This is a Wing Chung rooted Kung Fu that incorporates boxing and fencing proncipals as reinterpreted by Bruce and James Lee. (it is very diferent than the consepts and "original JKD" that you may have seen)

There are some strong Wing Chung guys that work out with our group. You can find us at: Members

[Red Rum]

People have an obsession with chain punches. In reality you are never going to pull them off, and if you do they will not be that effective

For me, chain punching is just a way of drilling in correct structure and building up hand speed. If you think that you will go out and pin someone down with a flurry of punches every time, you need to wake up

Boxers who train on a speed ball don't hit like that in the ring - they are training rythm and flow.

[Ghost]

^^ also important to note is that it leaves you quite exposed, a total novice can still land a punch, if they throw a punch at the same time you just end wacking each other in the face.
chain punching is uber easy to counter for a martial artist. use as above.

[Museumtech]

phenom - who is your Sifu? If you say William Cheung, you will lose my vote

Red Rum. W. Cheung started his Wing Chun in 1951. He has over 50 not 20 years experience. Move on from the lineage wars. Train to senior level in what ever style you feel comfortable with then add what the others have to offer.

Peter

[Red Rum]

Red Rum. W. Cheung started his Wing Chun in 1951. He has over 50 not 20 years experience. Move on from the lineage wars. Train to senior level in what ever style you feel comfortable with then add what the others have to offer.

Peter

Are you taking the p*ss? Who said anything about 20 years? And what the hell does it matter how long you train. If you are an idiot, it doesn't matter how long you've trained for. Indeed, I know some BJJ guys who have only trained for three years but who are the nicest guys going and exceptional teachers

Cheung has proved time and time again that he is deluded
His instructors are brainwashed into believeing that their wing chun is the only true wing chun and anything else is modified. How dumb is that?

[Museumtech]

if your ever in melb australia your welcome to drop by my sifu is open minded to all sorts of ideas he has twenty years wing chun experience boxing background mantis kung fu and various wushu weapondry we train muay thai for san shou

phenom - who is your Sifu? If you say William Cheung, you will lose my vote

Are you taking the p*ss? Who said anything about 20 years? And what the hell does it matter how long you train. If you are an idiot, it doesn't matter how long you've trained for. Indeed, I know some BJJ guys who have only trained for three years but who are the nicest guys going and exceptional teachers

Red Rum, perhaps you missed the 20 years experience reference in the post you were replying to.

His instructors are brainwashed into believeing that their wing chun is the only true wing chun and anything else is modified. How dumb is that?

I can not speak for all of TWC instructors, but,the ones I know who trained directly under William Cheung in the seventies and eighties are far from dumb or brainwashed. They are perfectly capable of making up their own minds. Some have remained affiliated others have not. All of them, however, still teach TWC in one form or another. None of them think that this is the only wing chun just as most instructors from other Yip Man lineages know that there are even a few other non-Yip Man branches.

My apologies if you were offended by my post but I am getting tired of the posters on this and other forums who continually knock one branch or the other of wing chun. As Thai Bri can no doubt tell you this far from helps the overall image of wing chun. Most of these members are usually supporting their arguments with things they have read on internet forums rather than from personal contact.

What I have suggested is that the serious wing chunner would benefit from learning as much of their chosen style as possible then seeing what can be picked up from another branch. It is generally accepted that Yip Man taught each of his students differently. It follows then that decent students of any linage would still not be able to achieve the full Yip Man knowledge set without learning from outside their branch.