Wing Tsun or Choy Lee Fut ?

[Killuminati]

Wich would be your choice and why ?

[MAMA_Boy]

I chose CLF because i've never practiced it though i've always wanted to.

[Tjang]

More suitable one

I believe both of them are good. Thus, I will study both to find out which one is more suitable for me, or to find out which one I like better, and I will decide later when I have found out the answers. (That is, if this will not dissapoint anyone.)

[bbbb]

Choy lay fut..

It's about power!?

Our Kung Fu say's never practise for speed...practise power.

[millie]

try my foot

leg tech in the southern styles are not as important as hand tech
wing tsun dose not work as self defece
choy lee fut is diferent lots hidden tactics and dim mak stricks developes over hundereds of years
the style seems slow and awkward but it devepes a reincanates shaolin
i vote

[pstevens]

I've tried both before, but neither suited my needs... These are my pros and cons of both.

Wing Chun:

Pros: Fast punches, good blocks and parries.
Cons: Trapping doesn't work in real fights, punches lack real power.

Choy Li Fut:

Pros: Develops a lot of conditioning, especially in the leg and hips.
Cons: Most techniques are hard to pull off in a real situation. Forms are very long.

[keskilinja]

I think what matters is to find a good teacher... Go and see what you want... Wing Tsung are good art so are Choy Lee Fut... It's all about the teacher...

[Nemes1s]

I can understand how not applying the trapping in real life situations not work, that's whats wrong with alot of wing chun studios. they only apply wing chun to wing chun. what I would do is look into the sifus background, i guess kinda ask him. see if he did any other styles, if he was ever involed in compeitions using wing chun or other styles, does he train law enforcement or stuff like that, and of corse ask him questions about the training, if he applies wing chun to real life situations often, any full contact sparring. alot of people only do wing chun for a year and begin to make assumptions, I guess I can kinda relate I remeber i was learning the basics still (it took me about a year) and I didn't like that I was doing samething, but when I got into the intermiate classes, that's when I began to learn some more cool mooves, and i felt like i was starting all over again. which motivated me to keep going, I didn't know wing chun had hooks, or joint lock and throws, chops to the throat, now I can seee how brutal wing chun ccan be but what sucks is that it just takes time, waiting is probably the worst part of training, but i'm sure it's worth it in the end

so if you intrested in wing chun I hate to say it but I would sugguest to make ur assumptions when ur in a intermediate class. but if you want some really fast more useful progess, i would suggest like jeet kune do, I myself lookin into jeet kune do, i think some thai kicks would be useful in my wing chun and some grappling and kali.



I can't really say much about CLF but I'm sure theres a reason why CLF isn't as popular as wing chun


just make sure you ask ur sifu the right questions!

[LittleDemon]

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[Tameo]

http://www.wingchuncalifornia.com/bio.wmv
Here is a clip about my Wing Chun teacher. Notice how his techniques are different from those of vingtsun and wingtsun.

[ddrive]

About WC.

I've tried both before, but neither suited my needs... These are my pros and cons.
Wing Chun:
Pros: Fast punches, good blocks and parries.
Cons: Trapping doesn't work in real fights, punches lack real power.

Many who study wing chun may get mad at me for agreeing with him, but he's right. I've studied wing chun for about 2 -4 years (in high school), and even though this style teaches you a lot of quick techniques for various situtions, to me, the style lacks the element of conditioning that most boxers endure on a regular basis. The sifu I studied under in nyc constantly incorporated boxing into our training, and as a result, my punching power and strength has dramatically increased. If most wing chun schools were to incorporate boxing training tools (heavy bag, speed bags, etc) and training methods into their dojo, the performance levels of the wc students would be amazing.

P.S. Many other striking arts such as Karate, TKD, Muay Thai, have incorporated some sort of boxing apparatus into their dojo over the years. So why not us?

[Yu Law]

Many who study wing chun may get mad at me for agreeing with him, but he's right. I've studied wing chun for about 2 -4 years (in high school), and even though this style teaches you a lot of quick techniques for various situtions, to me, the style lacks the element of conditioning that most boxers endure on a regular basis. The sifu I studied under in nyc constantly incorporated boxing into our training, and as a result, my punching power and strength has dramatically increased. If most wing chun schools were to incorporate boxing training tools (heavy bag, speed bags, etc) and training methods into their dojo, the performance levels of the wc students would be amazing.

P.S. Many other striking arts such as Karate, TKD, Muay Thai, have incorporated some sort of boxing apparatus into their dojo over the years. So why not us?

how did u use the speed bags when u're using the wing chun or "sun" punch?

http://www.wingchuncalifornia.com/bio.wmv
Here is a clip about my Wing Chun teacher. Notice how his techniques are different from those of vingtsun and wingtsun.

yep, Master Joe Sayah is wasmy sifu's teacher as well. The video shows Traditional William Cheung lineage of Wing Chun. BTW, Ving Tsun and Wing Tsun r mostly the same thing except for the spelling. Diff. schools like to spell diff.

[ddrive]

Speed Bags & Drills

how did u use the speed bags when u're using the wing chun or "sun" punch?

The speed bag served as an aid for wc drills such as [kune se kune],[lop sau] , and trapping. Doing drills put a lot of stress on the shoulders and arms. If you spend some time working on the speed bag, it will help develop your shoulder muscles and arms, and you'll notice difference in your performance.
I hope that helps answer your question.

I've also been working on a schematic for new type of wooden that incorporates clinches for thai fighters and judokas.

When it's done's I'll show you all the schematic.

[Daddy_Cool]

I've tried both before, but neither suited my needs... These are my pros and cons of both.

Wing Chun:

Pros: Fast punches, good blocks and parries.
Cons: Trapping doesn't work in real fights, punches lack real power.

Choy Li Fut:

Pros: Develops a lot of conditioning, especially in the leg and hips.
Cons: Most techniques are hard to pull off in a real situation. Forms are very long.

You are as expert as a palsy victim performing brain surgery with a pipe wrench on this subject obviously. Power doesn't come from which martial art you train in. Power is based on the individual. Trapping does work in real fights, unless the fighter is not skilled in trapping. You say wing chun has fast punches, but the punches lack real power? How can this be the case? Speed x mass = power. You also say that choy li fut techniques are hard to pull off in a fight? I'm sure any expert in this system, or even intermediate can pull off many of the techniques. You say you had little experience in these systems? If that's the case, than how can you make a pro con list? I am tired of people pissing on my head and telling me it's rain. I've been doing a lot of reading on this site, and I am ashamed at the amount of ignorance I have seen here. It seems that the majority of opinions expressed here are uneducated, and disparaging. What sort of topic is this? Why compare apples and oranges? How can one say that this type of gung fu is better than this one? All opinions are biased. Another ridiculous topic I see on these boards is "Who would win in a fight? Bruce lee vs. Jet li or so and so vs. so and so." With such nonsensical topics, one can not educate themselves at all in martial arts.

[ddrive]

Clarity

You are as expert as a palsy victim performing brain surgery with a pipe wrench on this subject obviously. Power doesn't come from which martial art you train in. Power is based on the individual. Trapping does work in real fights, unless the fighter is not skilled in trapping. You say wing chun has fast punches, but the punches lack real power? How can this be the case? Speed x mass = power. You also say that choy li fut techniques are hard to pull off in a fight? I'm sure any expert in this system, or even intermediate can pull off many of the techniques. You say you had little experience in these systems? If that's the case, than how can you make a pro con list? I am tired of people pissing on my head and telling me it's rain. I've been doing a lot of reading on this site, and I am ashamed at the amount of ignorance I have seen here. It seems that the majority of opinions expressed here are uneducated, and disparaging. What sort of topic is this? Why compare apples and oranges? How can one say that this type of gung fu is better than this one? All opinions are biased. Another ridiculous topic I see on these boards is "Who would win in a fight? Bruce lee vs. Jet li or so and so vs. so and so." With such nonsensical topics, one can not educate themselves at all in martial arts.

There's no need with the insults. pstevens may not have the years of experience in the styles that maybe you have, but that doesn't mean he's not allowed expresss his opinions about the art [at least he admits to not having a lot of experience, but only states what he's seen while training in these styles]. One thing that gets me angry about this whole forum, if we're all martial artist, we should be able to have a debate without leading to insults. We should all be above that. Finally, if you want to quote physics equations Daddy Cool, make sure you're giving the correct ones.

Speed x Mass doesn't equal Power....

Speed x Mass equals momentum.
Power = Work / time or aka (Force x Distance)/time