Shaolin martial arts school in Shandong, China

[Jab902]

If you look at the website you will see. Stop being so fuckling ignorent and accept that it is possible for Shoalin Monks from CHINA have a school in CHINA!!!

[DVSJ]

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Yo Shizo,where are you?I know you're only eating 3 times a day & all and practicing/teaching your tail off...but you're missin out...get back to us...

[47MartialMan]

I understand this.. I also wanted to omit the word "Shaolin" from our school's name, but the masters insisted on keeping it because after all, they come from the actual Shaolin temple in Henan. If it wasn't geniune, i wouldn't let them keep it.

They went there, studied something that someone was teaching. Now they teach what they had learned.

They are using it, like the reason why they went there in the first place, for namesake.

After all, that is what lured you, and others.

It is hype, commercialism, and propaganda.

The Shaolin controversy is evident. Your instructor or school, or any for that matter, should strive to hold true to its own merit than to show a link and usage in the name of Shaolin. (Although I am not knocking their skills.)

In order to understand Shaolin, one has to understand its very underlying principals, which were not martial art related. I am very skeptic of those claiming instruction and lineage to something so controversial and lack total concrete evidence. There exists no actual documentation or certification from such a temple devoted to the Ch'an study of Buddhism, to state anyone is "authentically" Shaolin. Does this mean that he does not have skills or the ability to teach? No. I believe he is an instructor whom has skill.

I too, was like you. I had such an instructor as yours. I still contact and train with my instructor, but I am wiser. Denial or truth is painful. Ignorance is bliss. I had even had a Korean instructor whom informed me that the Korean martial arts are not as "ancient" as the Koreans appoint them to be. Again, like my discovery of "authentic" Shaolin no longer existing, my understanding of Korean martial art history was shattered and painful. As I talk to many Buddhists, including monks, my eyes are continued to be "opened". I have overseas letters, correspondence, and met Buddhist monks and practitioners to understand many things about Buddhism, the foundational soul of Shaolin. A nice Buddhist tale is of the Kalama, any Buddhist/Shaolin monk should know of it. Seek this tale and learn its meaning.

Martial arts, per Shaolin and other problems associated, are a controversial subject like trying to convince people that Chi/Ki does or does not exist. In essence to religion, that God does or does not exist. They all are a matter of opinion. Opinions are not totally righteous or wrongful. Opinions are actually individualized beliefs. Despite any given evidence, positive or negative, such beliefs that are strong, individuals will not be swayed away from their beliefs-their opinions.

One of my Chinese instructors, now deceased-RIP, had told us that when he was in his youth, he had visited Shaolin. It was discrepant and desolate. Now, oh wow, with the popularity and commercialism of martial arts, everyone comes out of the "woodwork" claiming to be a descendant from Shaolin. Archives, records and documentations are fabricated. Obvious-yes to one that "believes". The same as Chi/Ki-God, etc.

So, again I must strongly state, I am not trying to belittle you, your instructors, or school. I think they are martial artists by right of discipline and skill.

[47MartialMan]

If you look at the website you will see. Stop being so fuckling ignorent and accept that it is possible for Shoalin Monks from CHINA have a school in CHINA!!!

There is nothing to be ignorant about-other than it is hype, proaganda, and commercialized.

I will not accept that these people are "authentic".

I do accept that they are riding on the name.

The PROC want them there. Had it rebuilt. They want the commercialism and tourist attraction.

It had to be hyped and propagandered, its just good business.

[DVSJ]

I can dig it...

Back to reality....
Whenever someone gets into a martial art- Especially attaching to one for namesake, glorified influences, fad, or curiosity, their expectations are high.

With these high expectations, the desire for results, or any progress, is so great. But, given that every individual is different, and that some do not develop like others, only time and hard practice will prevail. But the results may not be to the liking. Unless, the instructor is not qualified or have the knowledge.

To get into a martial art for the sake of performing something specific or special feats because of seeing others do it, or the namesake of it, has some fallacy and illusion.

This is why I have stated that Shaolin gets to the point of namesake. Although someone had stated that Shaolin, per its Buddhist practice, is not separated from its martial art one-it is definitely recognized for martial arts first and foremost. Therefore for its martial art namesake. Therefore, people are lead by namesake/fame instead of the wholeness or full aspect of it.

Everyone that states that they teach or learn "Shaolin Kung Fu", I find disturbing. Even those that state they teach or learn Shaolin Kung Fu, are curtailing on the name for namesake. Something to be recognized or gained. It cannot be considered as "Authentic".

Now if this is the case with other systems, per stating that they have a lineage to Shaolin, then for that matter, many other Asian arts also. If one is to study the ancient civilization of Asian man, would see that some of theirs had come from other sources like India, for example. (Including Shaolin.) And those others, in the surrounding provinces, can state a lineage to Shaolin.

Authentic Shaolin Kung Fu would be kung fu practiced the same way it was in Shaolin, with the same methods, techniques, etc. What I was trying to say is that if there was "Authentic Shaolin Kung Fu" out there, it’s still not what many people believe it is. I don’t think Shaolin Kung Fu even olden days of shaolin, is actually what so many people think it is. Given that the term, of its development, was not called Kung Fu.

“Authentic Shaolin” is like “Authentic Christianity". Everyone wants it, need it, uses it; capitalize off it, without truly “following it in authentic form”. (For sure, Christ had over-turned the tables of money in those temples. Where is it written that he wanted to open a temple and collect like those priestans?). Trade marking it (Shaolin) would find the same difficulties such as trade marking Christianity/Jesus Christ.

I just have a little strange feeling when I see something worded that is beyond the actual representation. (Like Ultimate Fighting-which has a set of rules and is not truly “ultimate”?) So, let it be noted, that I do not intend to bash or discredit any school, or anyone, I think that the term and usage gets way out of proportion.

Simply- "I respect anyone who gives everything they can in training, Mcdojo or no, I think that hard work can show you the way."


Here are some interesting articles:

http://www.spiritualminds.com/articles.asp?articleid=1886

http://www.spiritualminds.com/articles.asp?articleid=1833

http://exn.ca/Stories/2003/06/09/51.asp

http://wongkk.com/answers/ans00b/sep00-1.html

http://www.theallineed.com/news/0411/212488.htm

http://www.shaolintemple.org/essay.htm#trademarking%20shaolin

http://www.shaolinbrand.com/shaolinbrand/htmherbs/sx050002.htm

http://www.speedlink.com.au/~theothe...graphypage.htm

Interesting statements...well said my man.I feel you on this especially...(For sure, Christ had over-turned the tables of money in those temples. Where is it written that he wanted to open a temple and collect like those priestans?). Trade marking it (Shaolin) would find the same difficulties such as trade marking Christianity/Jesus Christ.

I just have a little strange feeling when I see something worded that is beyond the actual representation. (Like Ultimate Fighting-which has a set of rules and is not truly “ultimate”?) So, let it be noted, that I do not intend to bash or discredit any school, or anyone, I think that the term and usage gets way out of proportion.

Simply- "I respect anyone who gives everything they can in training, Mcdojo or no, I think that hard work can show you the way."

[Jab902]

I see were your getting at. i do agree with you on most of those aspects. In a sense Kung Fu is alot like Christianity. There are diffrent branches (presbiterian, Lutherin, Prodistant, Cathololic) just like kung fu(Hung Gar, Wing chun, Sanshou, O-Mei) Like Christianity MOST branches originated from one source(BIBLE)(SHAOLIN TEMPLE) all styles are "Supposivly" originated from Shaolin. Many schools say they teach shaolin kung fu for name sake, and rarly there are some that acctualy teach the same techniques as taught in the shoalin temple. the school that this thread was meant to promote is taught by former SHAOLIN MONKS, IT is not taught at the shaolin temple, that does not mean it is not shaolin. HERE ARE THE NAMES


Master Shi Xing Qing is a 32nd generation Shaolin monk. He is a master of internal kung fu and Qi Gong . He went to the Shaolin Temple when he was 8 years old and studied there untill the age of 17. During this time he learned Shaolin traditional kung fu and combat techniques up to the age of 15 when he began to study the internal martial arts such as Xing Yi.
In the 1st Shaolin kung fu competition he came first in the Shaolin Da Dao sword form. In 1995 during the Chinese national martial arts tournament he came first in the 65-68kg open fighting category where the competetors are allowed to fight with the style of there choice. In 1996 he also won the 65-68kg open fighting category at the Liao Ning province nartional martial arts cometition, as well as first prize for his leopard form.He also took part in many other competitions and got good achievement.
In 1997 the Chinese government rebulit the Southern Shaolin Temple (Nan Shaolin Si) and Shi Xing Qing was appointed to help with its restoration. A few years later he traveled the world to share knowledge with different masters of different styles and also teach and spred the Chinese kung fu.
He has spent many years teaching kung fu to students from both China and the rest of the world. He is skilled in Shaolin traditional fist and combat techniques, Qi Gong, Yi Jin Jing, Leopard fist as well as the internal styles of Xing Yi, Ba Gua Zhang and Tai Ji


Master Shi Xing Jun is a 32 nd generation monk of Shaolin Temple. He went to Shaolin Temple to learn kung fu when he was 9 years old and stayed there untill he was 19. He is currently ranked at level 7.
He has a lot of teaching experience after spending 3 years teaching kung fu to foreign students from all over the world.
In the 1 st national Shaolin kung fu competition he was awarded first place in traditional Shaolin fist form and Shaolin spear form. At the 9 th sports meeting in Henan province he got first place for his Shaolin staff routine. In the Zhengzhou championships he came first in the traditional sword form.
He is skilled in all areas of Shaolin kung fu including Shaolin 18 weapons, many animal styles and Da Mo Yi Jin Jing which is an internal kung fu for mind and body.




Master Shi Xing Bo is also a 32nd generation monk of Shaolin Temple. He went to Shaolin Temple at the age of 9 and stayed there untill he was 20. He is currently ranked at level 7.
He has many years of teaching experience and has also taken part in performances all over the world. In 1993 he took part in a Shaolin warrior monk demonstraion group that performed in England, America and France. During this time he also taught kung fu to foreign students.
In the 3rd national Shaolin kung fu competition he won first prize for Luo Han Quan (a type of famous Shaolin fist form) and his staff routine, as well as second place for his sword routine. In the Henan province Teenage Martial Arts Championship he won first prize in Shaolin traditional fist, Shaolin spear and Da Mo sword forms.
He is also skilled in Shaolin 18 weapons and many animal styles.

[Jab902]

and that info about the monks is straight off the website

[DVSJ]

I see were your getting at. i do agree with you on most of those aspects. In a sense Kung Fu is alot like Christianity. There are diffrent branches (presbiterian, Lutherin, Prodistant, Cathololic) just like kung fu(Hung Gar, Wing chun, Sanshou, O-Mei) Like Christianity MOST branches originated from one source(BIBLE)(SHAOLIN TEMPLE) all styles are "Supposivly" originated from Shaolin. Many schools say they teach shaolin kung fu for name sake, and rarly there are some that acctualy teach the same techniques as taught in the shoalin temple. the school that this thread was meant to promote is taught by former SHAOLIN MONKS, IT is not taught at the shaolin temple, that does not mean it is not shaolin. HERE ARE THE NAMES


Master Shi Xing Qing is a 32nd generation Shaolin monk. He is a master of internal kung fu and Qi Gong . He went to the Shaolin Temple when he was 8 years old and studied there untill the age of 17. During this time he learned Shaolin traditional kung fu and combat techniques up to the age of 15 when he began to study the internal martial arts such as Xing Yi.
In the 1st Shaolin kung fu competition he came first in the Shaolin Da Dao sword form. In 1995 during the Chinese national martial arts tournament he came first in the 65-68kg open fighting category where the competetors are allowed to fight with the style of there choice. In 1996 he also won the 65-68kg open fighting category at the Liao Ning province nartional martial arts cometition, as well as first prize for his leopard form.He also took part in many other competitions and got good achievement.
In 1997 the Chinese government rebulit the Southern Shaolin Temple (Nan Shaolin Si) and Shi Xing Qing was appointed to help with its restoration. A few years later he traveled the world to share knowledge with different masters of different styles and also teach and spred the Chinese kung fu.
He has spent many years teaching kung fu to students from both China and the rest of the world. He is skilled in Shaolin traditional fist and combat techniques, Qi Gong, Yi Jin Jing, Leopard fist as well as the internal styles of Xing Yi, Ba Gua Zhang and Tai Ji


Master Shi Xing Jun is a 32 nd generation monk of Shaolin Temple. He went to Shaolin Temple to learn kung fu when he was 9 years old and stayed there untill he was 19. He is currently ranked at level 7.
He has a lot of teaching experience after spending 3 years teaching kung fu to foreign students from all over the world.
In the 1 st national Shaolin kung fu competition he was awarded first place in traditional Shaolin fist form and Shaolin spear form. At the 9 th sports meeting in Henan province he got first place for his Shaolin staff routine. In the Zhengzhou championships he came first in the traditional sword form.
He is skilled in all areas of Shaolin kung fu including Shaolin 18 weapons, many animal styles and Da Mo Yi Jin Jing which is an internal kung fu for mind and body.




Master Shi Xing Bo is also a 32nd generation monk of Shaolin Temple. He went to Shaolin Temple at the age of 9 and stayed there untill he was 20. He is currently ranked at level 7.
He has many years of teaching experience and has also taken part in performances all over the world. In 1993 he took part in a Shaolin warrior monk demonstraion group that performed in England, America and France. During this time he also taught kung fu to foreign students.
In the 3rd national Shaolin kung fu competition he won first prize for Luo Han Quan (a type of famous Shaolin fist form) and his staff routine, as well as second place for his sword routine. In the Henan province Teenage Martial Arts Championship he won first prize in Shaolin traditional fist, Shaolin spear and Da Mo sword forms.
He is also skilled in Shaolin 18 weapons and many animal styles.

You and MARTIALMAN got me thinkin now...and this is a good statement>I see were your getting at. i do agree with you on most of those aspects. In a sense Kung Fu is alot like Christianity. There are diffrent branches (presbiterian, Lutherin, Prodistant, Cathololic) just like kung fu(Hung Gar, Wing chun, Sanshou, O-Mei) Like Christianity MOST branches originated from one source(BIBLE)(SHAOLIN TEMPLE) all styles are "Supposivly" originated from Shaolin. Many schools say they teach shaolin kung fu for name sake, and rarly there are some that acctualy teach the same techniques as taught in the shoalin temple. the school that this thread was meant to promote is taught by former SHAOLIN MONKS, IT is not taught at the shaolin temple, that does not mean it is not shaolin........!

[47MartialMan]

If you look at the website you will see. Stop being so fuckling ignorent and accept that it is possible for Shoalin Monks from CHINA have a school in CHINA!!!

Coming from a fellow martial artist, this is dis-respectful to say the least.
Higher-level martial artists do not stoop to this.

Simply, it is about opinions/beliefs.

Everyone is "entitled" to their own.

Take religion as analogy;

I have a friend who is a Buddhist practitioner.
I have another who is a Buddhist Monk.
I have another, who is a College Professor of Eastern Philosophy-with a specialty in Buddhism.

I have a friend who is a Christian practitioner. (The bible is controversial also)

I have another who is a athesist.

I have another who is into Wicker.

I have another who is a Shaman.

Now, all these people have different opinions/beliefs.

I am not going to use profanity and call them (all highly intelligent) as ignorant.

Here is a passage from a philosophy;
One should not only honour one's own martial art and condemn the disciplines of others. But should honour others' art for this or that reason. So doing, helps one's own art to grow and renders service to the arts of others.

In doing otherwise, one digs the grave of one's own art and also does harm to others. So concord is good. Let all listen, be willing to listen to the beliefs (opinions) of others.

So I want to make it again perfectly clear-I do not condemn anyone's art, instructors, or school. I simply do not agree on the use of a name.

...all styles are "Supposivly" originated from Shaolin.
This is by far, incorrect.

I have heard/read about those monks you had presented.

Further research and understanding of Ch'an buddhism, knowing how Shaolin was 50 years ago, do not justify any of it as "authentic".

I can understand the frustration.

I too was frustrated the more I had investigated.

Read those links. Study and research harder.

[47MartialMan]

1.) Many schools say they teach shaolin kung fu for name sake, and rarly there are some that acctualy teach the same techniques as taught in the shoalin temple.

the school that this thread was meant to promote is taught by former SHAOLIN MONKS, IT is not taught at the shaolin temple, that does not mean it is not shaolin........!

1.) But not one is "authentic" It would be like saying that one Christian denomination is the "genuine/authentic" one. Monks in robes are not enough evidence for me to believe they are "authentic".

2.) If it is not taught a Shaolin, as with anything after generation-becomes diluted, it can no longer be "authentic". (For example-not even spaghetti is a "authentic" Italian food)

Furthermore, Shaolin is a place. A reference. Like, New York City police department. Does this tend to state that New York has the one "authentic" police department?

One has to detach from using names for merit or intrique.

Of my study of Buddhism, has me in ponderance why would Buddhist monks teach martial arts from a time that has long since past?

And given some of my research, esp on Buddhisn, there were no Buddhist Warrior Monks.

Said monks in the temple were renegades/rebels in hiding. Dressing in cognito and coming to the defensive aid of their sanctuary hosts.

After which, the head abbot/monks, decided to allow the teaching of defense to young deciples, based upon a pschological order of surfeit.

[Jab902]

you know what, **** this it's pissing me off call it watever you want to call it they will not change thier name because they came from the shaolin themple and they teach what has been taught to them. it is original because that is what was being thaught at the shaolin temple at tht time, there fore the only "authentic shaolin kung fu was thaught by the 1st 2nd and maybe 3rd generation of shoalin monks, i am sorry if i disrespected any martial art i did not mean to i was just trying to prove my point wich may have blinded my respectfulness.

[47MartialMan]

you know what, **** this it's pissing me off call it watever you want to call it they will not change thier name because they came from the shaolin themple and they teach what has been taught to them. it is original because that is what was being thaught at the shaolin temple at tht time, there fore the only "authentic shaolin kung fu was thaught by the 1st 2nd and maybe 3rd generation of shoalin monks, i am sorry if i disrespected any martial art i did not mean to i was just trying to prove my point wich may have blinded my respectfulness.

You are getting in that state, because you want to stay fasted to your opinion/belief.

I was like you, I was taken in by it all.

You can attempt to prove your point. Post your opinion. And can believe what you desire.

Yet, I have my own opinion (as others come to think or establish the same opinion of this subject as I) and I will not faulter, nor get irritated.

[47MartialMan]

The Shaolin hype, propagander, and commercialism remind me of Disney.

Most of Disney's content for the stories and movies come from other tales and history. (Like Grimms).

Even the "noted" Castle, came from Belgian.

The whole scheme is to hype, propagander, and commercialized it for recognition.

Recognition=Attention
Recognition=Money

Yet people go in droves and spend dollars for the entertainment.

Get on the "bandwagon" (Disney or Shaolin), everyone else does.

As for myself, and others like me, we got off those bandwagons when we grew older and/or skeptic.

[47MartialMan]

I wonder what the martial art symbol, or any symbol for Shaolin would be?

A Swastika?
A Dharma Wheel?
A Lotus Flower?
A Golden Fish?
A Set of Malas?
Olcott's Flag?

[47MartialMan]

Master Shi Xing Qing is a 32nd generation Shaolin monk.
By whom authenticates or can verify this?

Master Shi Xing Jun is a 32 nd generation monk of Shaolin Temple.
By whom authenticates or can verify this?

Master Shi Xing Bo is also a 32nd generation monk of Shaolin Temple.
By whom authenticates or can verify this?

Hmmmn, Buddhist monks competing in martial art tourneys.....from a temple that was built in a remote, mountainous area that it and its people, didnt want exposure.

I guess the temple and its "authentic" residents, came to be foremost for martial arts first?