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  • #46
    So...

    Would you check your French cook's credentials, his family tree and color of eyes before you ate his food? That's a bit more into nazism, but you get the point. To me, even if the cook is Mexican, and i like French food, and that's what i want to eat - then damn.. i don't care!!! In this case, both, the cook and martial arts are Chinese. You can check family tree if you want.

    The masters of my masters are:
    释德杨 - Shi4 De2 Yang2
    释德虔 - Shi4 De2 Qian2
    释延敏 - Shi4 Yan2 Min3

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    • #47
      Originally posted by DVSJ
      47MM,I am glad you joined in again...you are educating and have valid points...would you mind quoting my post above on the footsteps one.I apologize for the silly post(not personal)...I'm just a goofball at times havin a little fun.
      IMHO, there is no need to apologize, unless there was a straightforward personal attack on me.

      I welcome any opposite opinions as mind.

      However, bare in mind, there are many martial artists and non-martial artists (Buddhists and people understanding Buddhism), I know/met, that have made me start ot think this way.

      One has to let go strong feelings for something and really study other possibilities with a un-biased-open mind.

      Imagine my great feelings and denial when my own TKD instructor, a Korean, told me that Korean martial arts had to be re-developed after WWII, and there is no factual evidence of lineages and history of their martial artists. That their governemnt was , indeed, re-culturizing the country and having texts written to suit. Surely, they still have many ancient artifacts, but speaking with my Korean instructor, I guess he was tired of the hype, propaganda, and commercialism of his art.

      Said instructor has moved, and he was in his late 50's, the last time I saw in nearly 10 years ago. I don't know his whereabouts, or his well-being to date.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by shizo
        So...

        Would you check your French cook's credentials, his family tree and color of eyes before you ate his food? That's a bit more into nazism, but you get the point. To me, even if the cook is Mexican, and i like French food, and that's what i want to eat - then damn.. i don't care!!! In this case, both, the cook and martial arts are Chinese. You can check family tree if you want.

        The masters of my masters are:
        释德杨 - Shi4 De2 Yang2
        释德虔 - Shi4 De2 Qian2
        释延敏 - Shi4 Yan2 Min3
        Or so I go into a Chinese restaurant, say in the US.
        Since in is prepared by Chinese, is it "authentic" Chinese Cusine?
        The cook is Mexican, you really think you are eating "authentic" Mexican food?

        Does any of your masters teach the means of Ch'an first?
        Did you go looking for Ch'an or martial arts, when thinking of Shaolin?

        Any evidence of any of these masters being "authentic"?

        Who had ordained them?

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        • #49
          47MM,

          The martial arts at this particular school are taught by the Shaolin monks the way it was taught to them at the Shaolin Temple. There for the martial arts are authentic even though the temple was originally built for Buddhism. At the shaolin temple Buddhism comes first but not to the public eye. Maybe to the masters Buddhism comes first, but the school was opened for the purpose of teaching the martial arts that are taught at the Shaolin Temple.

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          • #50
            For the love of god, i don't care if the cook is mexican. What matters to me is the food. Today. Not what was cooked by his parents or grandparents. If i come to this Mexican guy's restaurant, eat his French style quisine, and i like it... well, then i'm sold.

            And Jab902 is correct. Shaolin Temple was originally only that - a buddhist temple. Then traveling monk Damo came and made the monks there excersize and train, and later that developed into what it is now - Shaolin Martial Arts. Nothing stays the same. Everything evolves and changes.. the ways of martial arts too. And that's a GOOD thing.

            It's not a secret that Tae Kwon Do was developed. Every martial art in the world was developed. What matters to you personally, i think that how it was developed. If best masters in the country were called down to one place to live and develop a new martial art - i think it's only a positive thing. Each master will add something they think is good, and leave out something they think is useless. Excellent! That's the way Shaolin was re-vived in China, and in Korea it was done in the same way.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Jab902
              47MM,

              The martial arts at this particular school are taught by the Shaolin monks the way it was taught to them at the Shaolin Temple. There for the martial arts are authentic even though the temple was originally built for Buddhism. At the shaolin temple Buddhism comes first but not to the public eye. Maybe to the masters Buddhism comes first, but the school was opened for the purpose of teaching the martial arts that are taught at the Shaolin Temple.
              The way it was taught ot them at the temple?

              Wasnt the temple and itd surroundings sort of desolate in the 40's-60's.


              Bam....all of a sudden people come out of the "woodworks" and claim fame to it.

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              • #52
                Yes but the school that is being talked about, the teachers are not from the "woodworks" they are from the Shaolin Temple.

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                • #53
                  No doubt, I agreee

                  However, bare in mind, there are many martial artists and non-martial artists (Buddhists and people understanding Buddhism), I know/met, that have made me start ot think this way.

                  One has to let go strong feelings for something and really study other possibilities with a un-biased-open mind.........In order to recognize the truth in all aspects...

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                  • #54
                    Sho taste good tho...

                    Originally posted by shizo
                    For the love of god, i don't care if the cook is mexican. What matters to me is the food. Today. Not what was cooked by his parents or grandparents. If i come to this Mexican guy's restaurant, eat his French style quisine, and i like it... well, then i'm sold.

                    And Jab902 is correct. Shaolin Temple was originally only that - a buddhist temple. Then traveling monk Damo came and made the monks there excersize and train, and later that developed into what it is now - Shaolin Martial Arts. Nothing stays the same. Everything evolves and changes.. the ways of martial arts too. And that's a GOOD thing.

                    It's not a secret that Tae Kwon Do was developed. Every martial art in the world was developed. What matters to you personally, i think that how it was developed. If best masters in the country were called down to one place to live and develop a new martial art - i think it's only a positive thing. Each master will add something they think is good, and leave out something they think is useless. Excellent! That's the way Shaolin was re-vived in China, and in Korea it was done in the same way.
                    ......That dish may not had been cooked by a lineage of master chefs but it sure does taste like it...mmm mmm good my sentiments exactly.The art may be precise in technique and form that which you learn...it may replicate the exact way it was taught back centuries ago...the authenticity may have diminished,although,what remains is a duplication of the style,technique,form,etc.which is as every bit as effective as the first. I don't believe you care about authentic this or that anymore than anyone of us...your points are well taken.

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                    • #55
                      Thank you. I think i have finally got my point across

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Jab902
                        Yes but the school that is being talked about, the teachers are not from the "woodworks" they are from the Shaolin Temple.
                        I guess if anyone visits Shaolin can claim they are from the Shaolin Temple.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by DVSJ
                          One has to let go strong feelings for something and really study other possibilities with a un-biased-open mind.........In order to recognize the truth in all aspects...
                          Precisely what I am saying.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by 47MartialMan
                            Precisely what I am saying.
                            47MM,that is your quote. I'm just PC illiterate

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                            • #59
                              Tao of Wood

                              Woodworks..?This wouldn't happen to be the lost art of chuckin woodin stakes at people and drivin it thruogh vampires and such,would it..?

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                              • #60
                                i don't know anything about shaolin but i found a shaolin school that's located in Vancouver, BC .. you guys can check it out and tell me it's real or not.

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