Chinese MAs in Real Life?

[Dom Shakal]

Besides that humorous video clip that's been making its way around these message boards, has anyone out there ever seen CMA in action? Either in a MMA competition setting, or in real life?

I've watched dozens of the UFC and PRIDE videos and I've rarely seen anyone compete using any style of kung fu. I remember in one of the old UFCs a wing chun guy lost in about 30 seconds ... but that's all.

Just once I'd like to see this:

"John Smith, fighting out of San Francisco, California, with eight years of experience in the White Crane style of Kung fu, will be facing off against . . . "

Thoughts?

[fwtaichi]

You don't see a lot of this because Chinese martial artists as a general rule don't fight very well. I have practiced the Chinese martial arts for over 18 years now and I can say that 95% of the practitioners do what they think they should be doing rather than attending to the situation at hand i.e. the fight. It's that way for any martial artist really. I've trounced a few mma guys who thought they were in a movie and not right where they should have been. I've seen good fighters who had studied Tae Kwon Do and I have seen really crappy fighters who studied BJJ for years.
Martial arts are games, they build skills, get our minds thinking options and whatnot but martial arts are not fighting. They are skills that can or cannot help us fight. When some dude gets in the ring and says I'm going to use White Crane the most likely outcome is dude is going to get trounced unless the other guy is using his "style."
To make an analogy: I get in the ring with a world heavyweight champion boxer. He is a champion, he knows how to fight. Me? I'm in the other corner with my jump rope and I start skipping rope while he pounds the ever loving crap out of me. This situation describes people who use their martial arts to fight instead of hitting, kicking, breaking, maiming the person in front of them. Fighting is easy. You fight. You beat each other until one of you goes down. Yes it's brutal but that's how it is.

[Jab902]

On a simpler note, Sanshou or Sanda. It is chinese kickboxing based of traditonal chinese arts and it incorperates takedowns. Check out Cung Le in K1 he is the biggest name in sanshou. And check out the thread about Lei Tai.

[polecat63]

You don't see a lot of this because Chinese martial artists as a general rule don't fight very well.

Huh? If you mean that they don't train to fight in the ring, you are most likely correct. If you mean that they don't know how to fight, I'd say you are very wrong. It all depends upon your goals. If your goal is to compete your 'style' will look more like kickboxing regardless of what style you learn.
Chinese martial arts are very effective and I've crossed hands with some practitioners that are very scary indeed (my Shifu included). In a ring with rules that take away half the skills I've learned I prolly wouldn't do well, but take that guy that trains to fight in the ring and remove those rules, well...That would alter things dramatically.
Since the thread is about CMA's in real life and not the ring I would say that in a real life situation my art would be very effective.

[jubaji]

In a ring with rules that take away half the skills I've learned I prolly wouldn't do well, but take that guy that trains to fight in the ring and remove those rules, well...That would alter things dramatically.
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How do you know? Have you beaten the crap out of many ring fighters out in 'the street'?

[polecat63]

How do you know? Have you beaten the crap out of many ring fighters out in 'the street'?

Yes, I have.

[jubaji]

usotsuki

Yes, I have.

That's great. How many?

[Garland]

who would fight a ring?
seriously..that's pretty dumb.
I bet I could kick somebodies ass who tries to fight rings.
Do they cross train with hoola hoops??


DUR...I just kidding.
I Kiiiid I kiiiid.

now...yeah, so you've brought down many a "ring fighter", eh?
Boxers, kickboxers, muay thai guys, jj guys, submission guys, mma guys, who?

What do you train that's sooooo deadly that they'd never expect it? (eye gouges, throat chops, and groin grabs don't count...because EVERYBODY knows how to do that shit.)

[Garland]

U using secret dim mak death touch moves...like the five finger chest explode?

Ever see fist of the northstar...yeah...that's what I do. Somebody messes with me, I touch them (with fists, not the michael jackson touch), they look confused for a minute, I say something tough like, "you already dead-foo"
and they explode.
EXPLODE yo.
Like that video of the whale they packed with dy-no-mite.

[polecat63]

That's great. How many?

So far, four. That doesn't include several full contact matches with pads, but you did say "street" fights. I don't suppose you fight in the ring?

[jubaji]

bs detector at work

So far, four. That doesn't include several full contact matches with pads, but you did say "street" fights.

Interesting. Then why, in your initial post, did you write in such conditional terms as "probably" and "would"? Could you be trying to sell a load of BS here?
HHHHhhhhhhhmmmmmm...

[polecat63]

I don't suppose you fight in the ring?

Interesting. Then why, in your initial post, did you write in such conditional terms as "probably" and "would"? Could you be trying to sell a load of BS here?

I'll take that as a "no". Maybe you would like to share your experience with us. Afterall you study....um...er.. well, isn't that funny.

If you are ever in the area I'd be happy to have a friendly little spar with you and show you what my art looks like. Until then I guess I'll just have to deal with those stinging retorts you keep throwing out. I'm going to go cry now.


The topic is "Chinese MA's in real life?". The assumption must be that you have none, or maybe you just don't want to share.

TTFN little buddy!

[MADDOG]

The problem is just not with CMA but all modern MA in general.

The MA where about just not only survival but also had other positive attributes.

To day they are a commercial venture that reproduces incompetent black belts, a dime a dozen.

What Mix Martial Art brought to the table was a make up call to some and a excuse for others to carry on the present marketing of the MA.

Mix MA is still a game. The question to ask is what can we do to revitalize the arts or let all the 10th degree before I am 45 years old, creators of my own system, like to open a school under me ass holes take over a drive the MA in to the ground.

[Dom Shakal]

So far, four. That doesn't include several full contact matches with pads, but you did say "street" fights.

Polecat, what CMA do you study?

And could you briefly describe one or two of your streetfights here?

I'm curious about the how the encounter played out and how you were able to utilize your CMA training. Did the guys you fought have any MA training?

[polecat63]

Polecat, what CMA do you study?

And could you briefly describe one or two of your streetfights here?

I'm curious about the how the encounter played out and how you were able to utilize your CMA training. Did the guys you fought have any MA training?

I study Xing Yi. Honestly, the first two fights were before I started Xing Yi. I had studied BJJ, wrestling ( the collegiate type) and JKD. The peeps I fought all claimed to have martial arts training, and two had competed at some level, although nothing professional I'm sure. The first two were encounters that occurred while a doorman at an afterhours club. Although I had many such encounters while working this job, there were only two that the guys not only 'claimed' to have martial training, but it also appeared that they actually had trained.

Both got embarrassed in front of their friends because they could not enter the club, as it was private. They got all pumped up and threatening at which point they proclaimed there training and expertise (both claimed Karate). They actually kept me busy and at bay for a few minutes with some long range kicks, but once they got cocky and steped in I took over. The first I traped in an arm bar and took him down. Once I convinced him I would actually break his arm he gave up and left.

The second guy must have had some push hands training (either tai chi or maybe wing chun) I couldn't trap his arm for anything (the owners frowned upon us causing bloodshed). It wasn't until I started Xing Yi that I found out why. As a last resort I started thowing elbows to try and end it quickly. I caught him in the sternum and the back of the head. That calmed him down.

The first CMA street fight I had was after my sons Karate tournament. The father of one of the boys thought my son was a little rough with his son. He didn't yell at and threaten me, but my eleven year old son. That kinda rubbed me the wrong way. I told him to back off at which point he told me he "took" karate and would "whoop" my a double s if I didn't shut up. I told him to step off and got between him and my son. He got in a self defense stance and siad "come on". I told him I didn't want to hurt him and started to back away. He attacked so I hit him with about four or five palm strikes in the chest to back him up. He manged to kick me in the hip (which may have hurt him more than me) and clipped me right below the eye. He was pretty good, but he was angry and wild. He came at me again so I used fists this time, getting lower and drilling into his stomach and chest. He was going for my face which lead me to think he was used to using pads. He got me twice, one I deflected the other caught my cheek hurt like hell, he was done though. He may have broken his hand on my head. Someone said they had called the cops so we split.

The last time was when I was working the door for a friend. This guy was good. Better than me, much better. He was fast and strong, not as big as me, but pretty close. I stood my ground though and took more than a few lumps. The circular blocking I learned in both Xing Yi and Tai Chi kept me from serious injury I'm sure. I stayed close to him to keep him from kicking me, another Xing Yi strategy. It also allowed me to keep him off me until the other doormen arrived to help. They're both purple belts in BJJ and took him down quickly. I guess that one was a draw, but only 'cause I had help.