It sucks mud, indeed

[jubaji]

True or false dude, the shot really isnt safe to execute outside arms reach.

Its not likely to be very successful from further away than that. "Dangerous" would depend on the circumstances, I suppose.

[jubaji]

so since the ring is what you set your values by.....

There's something else I never said.

[jubaji]

you have a real habit of lying, don't you?

...you claim wrestling superior to TMA's...

There's something else I never said.

[jubaji]

you are starting to smell dishonorable

you want to play the well what if pee wee herman had a 22 cal pistol and Kurt Angle takes it away and pistol whips him game....

There's something else I never said.

[Tom Yum]

You very clearly stated that any loss in a ring was discrediting. If it sounds stupid that's on you, shitforbrains.

Have you considered a little herb ?

Boar was trying to engage you in some serious discussion.

[gregimotis]

JEEESUUUS H. CHEEE-RIIIIST how many of these threads does the world really freakin' need?





honestly - why don' you guys just post links of your previous identical discussions and save yourselves the trouble. Just copy and paste and get it over with.

honestly

[jubaji]

Nice job completely missing the point

Boar was trying to engage you in some serious discussion.

Then he was doing a poor job of it.

[tkd_person89]

Do us all a favor and die.

[jubaji]

Do us all a favor and die.

Aren't you sweet?

[Toudiyama[NL]]

OK let me try to draw new flames

1st a lot of TMA aren't MA at all but personal defence arts
2nd SD is not the same as fighting, a fight is a SD situation gone wrong
3rd One of the few things TMAs are lacking is resistive training
4rd on of the few things MMAs have is resistive training
5th No TMA competition is considered the same a SD nor do thay claim that it proves anything in that erea
6th MMA claim that winning in the ring against a know opponent proves that they are better in SD, so they think their competition is the same as SD
7th MMA is more business than TMA are ( look at prices for clinics and training) and in that sense already McDojo
8th MMA superiority claims are often based on the fact that no TMA step in the ring
9th Most of us will be screwed when it really comes to it no matter if we trained TMA or MMA or both

[jubaji]

MMA is more business than TMA are

Not sure I buy that one.

[Toudiyama[NL]]

Not sure I buy that one.

I haven't been charged 150€ (euro) or more for any TMA clinnic/workshop ever and those include those by some 7th or 8th degree BB ( which in Europe are seldomely seen)
Compare that with a minimum of that amount for a workshop by some unknown BBJ black belt

Or maybe letting blue belts teach without them being trained to become a teacher/trainer ( just because someone is a great fighter doesn't mean he is a great instructor)

You don't buy it but in the mean time you would rather spend 300 bucks on a MMA workshop than 10- 20 bucks for a TMA workshop

[jubaji]

You don't buy it but in the mean time you would rather spend 300 bucks on a MMA workshop than 10- 20 bucks for a TMA workshop

Are you making assumptions about what I'd rather do?

Are you making assumptions about your local prices and prices everywhere?

You know better.

[gabbah]

yeah dumbass nothing from a sport fits in life or death struggles get over it.

BoarSpear, aren't you drawing things to the extreme with that statement?
In a situation where a guy gets aggressive with you at a party or something, he's unarmed and so are you, and he has no friends ready to jump in, or they don't want to, wouldn't training in BJJ, thai boxing or another art help you?
Let's say you are tired of that dude and want to make him shut up once and for all and show him you are not afraid of him, meaning you will have to fight him.
Because I think many people train MA not only for life and death situations, but also to not be bullied in a situation like the one above.

Also, if this guy goes totally mental and do his best to actually kill you (making it a life or death situation), training in a MA will help you won't it?

Sure, if he has a weapon you're fucked, but that's not what I'm discussing in this particular case.
I'd like to hear your view on this.

[BoarSpear]

BoarSpear, aren't you drawing things to the extreme with that statement?
In a situation where a guy gets aggressive with you at a party or something, he's unarmed and so are you, and he has no friends ready to jump in, or they don't want to, wouldn't training in BJJ, thai boxing or another art help you?
Let's say you are tired of that dude and want to make him shut up once and for all and show him you are not afraid of him, meaning you will have to fight him.
Because I think many people train MA not only for life and death situations, but also to not be bullied in a situation like the one above.

Also, if this guy goes totally mental and do his best to actually kill you (making it a life or death situation), training in a MA will help you won't it?

Sure, if he has a weapon you're fucked, but that's not what I'm discussing in this particular case.
I'd like to hear your view on this.

Brawling at parties, shutting some guy up etc are not about self defense.
MMA people like to say the martial arts have little to do with self defense...I just want to point out while thats true, sport has NOTHING to do with self defense.

using your bjj at a party where you "know" that no one will interfere or pull a weapon isnt a fight...its another controlled situation (like the ring) keep in mind though...you never really know whats going to happen...it sounds like you want an excuse to fight...fighting and self defense are 2 different things...if you ever encounter someone actually trying to kill you you will know what i mean...

but sure if you want to win your school yard brawls and impress the girls at the party by beating up the other drunks have fun and boxing and wrestling/bjj will certainly help...but that isnt self defense its fighting.

self defense is leaving the party where some idiot is escalating to violence...say you kick his ass...you submit him with the arm bar...now 20 minutes and two shots of whiskey later he is back with his gun for revenge...Was the bjj and the armlock as effective as leaving? no...in fact your false security about self defense just got your ass shot...but damn you were cool shutting him up 21 minutes ago....