Myth Buster

[treelizard]

Good reason to be ARMED too!

Well, this was in Scotland... But really there's weapons all around us. I wonder how many fights would be averted if people would just yell "FOOD FIGHT!!!!"

[stabbychick]

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[treelizard]

Use humor to confuse the bad guy? Or will everyone come running to the rescue in hopes of some entertainment?

Was thinking more along the lines of projectile plates and knocking the guy's teeth down his throat with a pint glass..

[Tant01]

I think yelling in general is a good idea. I prefer command words myself, a high decibel verbal fence if you will...

Back off! Stop! Freeze! Let me see your hands! (I always want to see the hands) Just a thing I have about sharp things...

[Tant01]

Myth: Women can't do martial arts as good as men!

[stabbychick]

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[Troll Virus]

Small statistic for you, feel free to verify them for yourselves.
Taught some seminars and classes.
I reckon around 15% of people are immune to specific pain compliance techniques just by their biomechanical makeup/genetic disposition alone.

For me personally, the 'filtrum' doesn't work, whereas the 'chicken wing' escort/carry, that I find excruciating, simply did not work on a good 15% of people it was tried on over a few seminars.

The 'myth' as always in MA, is letting someone lead you down the garden path with their sureties.
Experience is all.

[Oraenor]

Small statistic for you, feel free to verify them for yourselves.
Taught some seminars and classes.
I reckon around 15% of people are immune to specific pain compliance techniques just by their biomechanical makeup/genetic disposition alone.

For me personally, the 'filtrum' doesn't work, whereas the 'chicken wing' escort/carry, that I find excruciating, simply did not work on a good 15% of people it was tried on over a few seminars.

The 'myth' as always in MA, is letting someone lead you down the garden path with their sureties.
Experience is all.

I would agree with you on that, one of the judo weapon disarm move had no effect on me and the weapon remained in my hand....pretty dangerous!

[gregimotis]

Small statistic for you, feel free to verify them for yourselves.
Taught some seminars and classes.
I reckon around 15% of people are immune to specific pain compliance techniques just by their biomechanical makeup/genetic disposition alone.

For me personally, the 'filtrum' doesn't work, whereas the 'chicken wing' escort/carry, that I find excruciating, simply did not work on a good 15% of people it was tried on over a few seminars.

The 'myth' as always in MA, is letting someone lead you down the garden path with their sureties.
Experience is all.

I'd add that in my experience, pain compliance becomes steadily less effective the more excited the opponent becomes.

[Snake+CQC]

Heres a funny but stupid myth that common people have made up:

Black belt MA must mean that they are deadly/good fighter

Yeah, at the place I used to go to. The "Black Belt guys" were the wimpiest people I've ever seen... A lot of the time people will just get moved up because they have been at a school for a long time. When I would spar with him (because he was my friend) in my basement. I could beat him..

[Tant01]

In my experience it's a matter of FORCE. It's not easy to break someone's arm but if you are trying to take a knife THAT's what it takes. I suspect that there are more folks out there that do it wrong than there are people that are not affected by a particular technique. But what do I know? Spiral fractures require surgery as do many other devastating joint locks (DESTRUCTIONS) They call them destructions because they destroy a specific part of the body... Keep playing with your "compliance" holds and your "submission" techniques but for God's sake DON'T HURT anyone!
LOL

[Troll Virus]

I'd add that in my experience, pain compliance becomes steadily less effective the more excited the opponent becomes.

Absolutely.
Drug users also.

[BB Wolf]

Crushing someone's windpipe as mentioned earlier, can kill someone, but there is no garantee that your punch/ stike/kick will do that. I'm not saying its not an effective SD technique, will definitely cause pain and at least momentary disruption of breathing (can't breathe, can't fight). Most good stirkes in the neck area can be evffective SD tecniques because there are a lot of nerve's there and its jostles the head around. I had a kajukenbo instructor that had a wicked forearm stike to the side of the neck that would, at least for a second or two, stun you/disrupt the nervous system, time enough to pull off another technique or two before the person could recover.
The palm strike to the nose myth has probably been around since WWII or the Korean War, when it was shown in H2H combat manuals and taught to troops during basic. It could break the nose and cause a lot of pain, but it won't kill anyone unless they are a hemophilliac with no medical facilites available. The only way I could see that being a fatal blow is if you stike the face w/ enough force, at the right angle, to rapidly move the head in such a way as seperate or shatter the C-1 verabrae, breaking their neck. However, I doubt you could calucate such a move w/ the time to calculate it out, much less in the middle a life-or-death SD counter-attack. If you DID pull it off, it would be entirely acedental.
They're effective techiques, but they aren't magical "One Strike Instant Kill Death Blows". I've even been told these myths by instructors.
As for improvised weapons, I used to work in a secure Federal facility, where, upon entering the building, we were subjected to airport-like security procedures. The contractor parking was a ways away, and I'd get out of there late at night sometimes. It was also not in the best of neighbor hoods. Not the worst place I've seen, by far, but bad things can happen even on June and Ward Cleaver's street. They even pulled my Gerber multi tool out and measured the blade to make sure it complied w/ the Federal 2" knife blade rule. I've got a neck knife that fits w/in those rules, a CRKT "Bear Claw", but there would be no way they would let me take that into the building. At best, they would tell me to go put in back in my car.I couldn't even find scissors in the buliding. This got me to thinking. I wore steel-toed dress shoes (Sketchers makes a pair) every day and often had a metal ball point pen, or, when my knee was acting up, a cane. I like canes. You can take them anywhere. I also made it a point to take off my tie as soon as I was out of the security perimter around the building. Not only did I hate the damn thing, and when I wasn't getting paid to where it, I wouln't, but I didn't want to give anyone a handle/noose to get ahold of. BTW, I like the stylus consept. Too bad I can't pull off knitting. No one would buy it. But those long, metal needles...

[Troll Virus]

Regarding the nose "bone" in the brain fallacy, something else to consider. I saw this happen once, and it is not pretty. The angle most often taught to do this technique is usually an upward palm strike. What people fail to consider is that puts the force of your blow on an angle that's right in line with the upper teeth. Once when I worked at the hospital, a couple of wannabe bangers came into the ER after having been arrested for fighting. They were both banged up, but one guy had a horrible looking avulsion that went from hi mid palm all the way down his wrist. It looked like someone took an ice cream scoop and just mashed the skin, tissue, and muscle out of his plam and left it hanging on his wrist. Apparently, this genius had tried to kill his opponent by doing that same moronic palm strike to the nose and had instead caught his foe in the teeth. Such was the strike that it literally carved the meat right off his palm like a thanksgiving turkey. Bad Stuff...

This was not taken there, but it's pretty close to what it looked like. With the exception that there was a lot more blood on the living guy. Caution - this is a graphic link. (and it's huge, too)

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...004-41,RNWG:en

Why try and hit the nose, when the underside of the jaw is so much more accessible and effective.
Going down, pick a floor please..

[Oraenor]

Regarding the nose "bone" in the brain fallacy, something else to consider. I saw this happen once, and it is not pretty. The angle most often taught to do this technique is usually an upward palm strike. What people fail to consider is that puts the force of your blow on an angle that's right in line with the upper teeth. Once when I worked at the hospital, a couple of wannabe bangers came into the ER after having been arrested for fighting. They were both banged up, but one guy had a horrible looking avulsion that went from hi mid palm all the way down his wrist. It looked like someone took an ice cream scoop and just mashed the skin, tissue, and muscle out of his plam and left it hanging on his wrist. Apparently, this genius had tried to kill his opponent by doing that same moronic palm strike to the nose and had instead caught his foe in the teeth. Such was the strike that it literally carved the meat right off his palm like a thanksgiving turkey. Bad Stuff...

This was not taken there, but it's pretty close to what it looked like. With the exception that there was a lot more blood on the living guy. Caution - this is a graphic link. (and it's huge, too)

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...004-41,RNWG:en

This may sound wrong but that looks alot like pork.
Palm strike to nose also puts yourself at risk of breaking your thumb if you miss with an improper technique.
Palm strike to womans chest= big slap on face!