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[Garland]

(on a side note, look at Ali’s feet leave the ground on a jab….maybe just a hint of Fa-jing??)

Being that boxing has been brought up lets piss off a few boxers, shall we? Boxing is just a sport and sports are here to teach us lessons about life…Iron Palm was created to keep your @ss alive.

The forms (if done right) take one to a place that a sport could never go. I think, but I could be wrong, that the forms were meant to trick the subconscious into thinking that your life is in danger. That means, if you do the form right, you get to go to “that place” in your head and train…it’s a total mind fuk…a sport could never take you there.

1) yeah, moving the feet, hips, shoulders, and then the arm to maximize the use of your body weight and the force of your strike is probably similar no matter what the **** you call it, "fa-jing" "pivot and twist"...both fancy terms for "shake that ass when you strike".

2) on a similar note...and I'm not trying to troll your thread, turn-about is fair play, how many iron palm/iron claw guys do you know that have fought full on...and how many that sparred boxers...boxers are used to fighting, and they have things needed for practical application that many (not all, just everyone of them I've seen...and I haven't seen you or boar) lack, i.e. distancing, rythm, timing, and general body movement and mechanics. Of course they don't train with the same intention or goal; boxing is to k.o. or win on points, kung fu in it's martial sense is to maim or kill...although many of the kung fu (only) guys I've met probably couldn't pull off a lethal technique or series of techniques, or so-called lethal move on anyone. Boxing can kill...no doubt about it. But in the end, a punch is a punch...

3) I will say one thing about this forms makes "kf better then combat sports"- shadow boxing. Far better then conventional MA forms, because it's fluid, adaptable and, if it's done properly, as you say forms should be, it puts your mind and body where it needs to be.


On a final note...wing chun and western boxing mix pretty well for when you get into mid range...and boxing and kali(fma's panatukan boxing) works well on the outside to inside transition. (i.e. destructions on the way in)

Mix 'em, dude. Their all tools, take the good ones and junk the others that don't work for you...**** where they're made...if a european/american made hammer is good, use it...if it works well with chinese made nails, groovy...if it helps to open a bottle of beer made in thailand (godbless singha) fabulous...and if all of this stuff is used to make a nice spike bat out of filipino kamagong wood...there you go...a better weapon then a handful of nails, a bottle, a kamagong stick, or a hammer alone.

Okay analogy...or do I need to get more sleep?

[knifethrower]

"fa-jing" "pivot and twist"...both fancy terms for "shake that ass when you strike".

Fuk yeah------------------- that’s where it starts…..

on a similar note...and I'm not trying to troll your thread, turn-about is fair play, how many iron palm/iron claw guys do you know that have fought full on...and how many that sparred boxers...

None that I know of……….But I’ve spared boxers however that was before I was practicing the secret deadly art of kung fu

boxers are used to fighting, and they have things needed for practical application that many (not all, just everyone of them I've seen...and I haven't seen you or boar) lack, i.e. distancing, rythm, timing, and general body movement

All sports do that and I think they are the best place to start and there’s nothing wrong with playing them for the rest of your life.

kung fu (only) guys I've met probably couldn't pull off a lethal technique or series of techniques, or so-called lethal move on anyone.

Most kung fu people suck ass; that’s why I started so late. I’d go into the school and see fag boy prance around in his pajamas and talk about sinew power………I gave him respect, walked out with a smile saying to myself “a good straight punch would stop any of that”.

Of course they (boxers) don't train with the same intention or goal; boxing is to k.o. or win on points, kung fu in it's martial sense is to maim or kill...although many of the

ok……….

I will say one thing about this forms makes "kf better then combat sports"- shadow boxing. Far better then conventional MA forms, because it's fluid, adaptable and, if it's done properly, as you say forms should be, it puts your mind and body where it needs to be.

Doesn’t the first quote nullify the second quote? Just kidding dude; I’m not trying to troll either but shadow boxing could never take you to “that place”. If it does, then you’re one fucked guy--------

Mix 'em, dude. Their all tools

I started in point fighting and went to judo and aikido and then to MMA. Mixing is good.

[jubaji]

Did he write this?No…He didn’t write that either….
Not this….….

See post #17..........

You’d better dodge them both---------

That would be my preference, but if I had to choose, its not a difficult choice.

But on a serious note, you didn’t think this one though did you? Do you mean the run of the mill professional boxer? Do you mean Ali? Forman? Tyson? Other Heavy weights? Fly weights, other weights?….

I thought it through completely and I stand by it. Someone who may have well-conditioned hands and be a deadly foe to inanimate objects or someone who trains hard, live, and without illusions to strike as hard and as often as possible against actual live humans who are trying just as hard to hit him first? Easy choice.

Are you trying to say that one shot is more powerful than another?….

One is much more likely to hit me before I invert his posture than the other.

The forms (if done right) take one to a place that a sport could never go. I think, but I could be wrong, that the forms were meant to trick the subconscious into thinking that your life is in danger. That means, if you do the form right, you get to go to “that place” in your head and train…it’s a total mind fuk…a sport could never take you there. ….

And now we drift off into fantasy land. Maybe you are laboring under the misconception that "form" is the Chinese word for "crack"

as great as Ali was and is, he don’t hold a candle to what’s locked away in the dark crevasses of the mind…..….

Ah yes, reality can't hold a candle to your chemically enhanced imagination. Sounds like you've been training with Boringspit alright...

That is why I say that if you stop at boxing, wrestling or MMA or any other sport then you are woefully short changing yourself. ….

Yeah, if you 'stop' at reality and don't continue into fantasy-land you are "selling yourself short"

And the forms don’t stop “there”….I don’t know where they stop. I do know that if you do this stuff right, you better hold on to your @ss. I think it’s safe to say that this kind of training is pretty rare….sounding like legend and yore yet? ….

All too much

Did people a long time ago have super powers? ….

NO

Soooo.....Hop on a form; hold on to your @ss and get ready for a fuk of a ride....….

It seems you are already on a trip all your own

[Garland]

Doesn’t the first quote nullify the second quote? Just kidding dude; I’m not trying to troll either but shadow boxing could never take you to “that place”. If it does, then you’re one fucked guy--------

One can shadow box and picture yourself in the street, fighting for your life, or to maim the other person...throwing all sorts of dirty shit...like punches followed by head butts, elbows and stomps.

I think Matt Hatmaker put out a "dirty boxing for the street" thing...I think that might be like what I'm talking about...

also imagine bareknuckle boxing, like Kimbo Slice...he actually moves around and weaves, slugging and monitoring distance like a pretty good boxer.

[BoarSpear]

One can shadow box and picture yourself in the street, fighting for your life, or to maim the other person...throwing all sorts of dirty shit...like punches followed by head butts, elbows and stomps.

I think Matt Hatmaker put out a "dirty boxing for the street" thing...I think that might be like what I'm talking about...

also imagine bareknuckle boxing, like Kimbo Slice...he actually moves around and weaves, slugging and monitoring distance like a pretty good boxer.

If you dont understand what knifethrowers talking about then... you cant understand if it doesnt exist in your world to paraphrase Miyamoto Musashi.

Rex applegate himself stressed that the 'trance like state" brought on by training the knife was the single most important aspect of training to awaken the warrior spirit...he said you had to find that trance state....if you havent understood it yet, you wont have a chance of grasping whats there for the understanding. The saying that the form is your teacher only makes sense if you actually train...people with a couple of years of Taiji in a park have zero chance of comprehending this...but they know enough to tell the people with 30 plus years in the art about it... Thats the very definition of talking out of your ass...judumbasses specialty.

[Garland]

Rex applegate himself stressed that the 'trance like state" brought on by training the knife was the single most important aspect of training to awaken the warrior spirit...he said you had to find that trance state....if you havent understood it yet, you wont have a chance of grasping whats there for the understanding. The saying that the form is your teacher only makes sense if you actually train...people with a couple of years of Taiji in a park have zero chance of comprehending this...but they know enough to tell the people with 30 plus years in the art about it...Thats the very definition of talking out of your ass...judumbasses specialty.

Wha? Okay Mr. Kenjutsu meets WW2 combatives...
Anyone who has ever been in a trance state can reach it again through meditation...even walking meditation, like Tai chi...


won't have a chance to understand it by now???...I'm 20 you codger...

[Garland]

it's okay, baby...I still luvs ya.

[BoarSpear]

Wha? Okay Mr. Kenjutsu meets WW2 combatives...
Anyone who has ever been in a trance state can reach it again through meditation...even walking meditation, like Tai chi...

Being high is not a meditation....

When we consume a bottle of Mezcal and work on CQB that doesnt mean we're doing Drunken boxing....by the same token its also not truly a "meditation on violence" its simply training under adversity

[jubaji]

he said you had to find that trance state....if you havent understood it yet, you wont have a chance of grasping whats there for the understanding. The saying that the form is your teacher only makes sense if you actually train....

Have another toke, Cheech

[knifethrower]

jubaji,

I had a dick load of come-backs but for some reason I cant muster up the calories to post….I do what I do but, what I do I did long before I met Boar(ok a few years)….he just helped me get a hold of it….if this is where it stops then this is where it stops…

still feel like drinking with a psycho?---------

[jubaji]

still feel like drinking with a psycho?---------

.................but of course!

[Mephariel]

I thought it through completely and I stand by it. Someone who may have well-conditioned hands and be a deadly foe to inanimate objects or someone who trains hard, live, and without illusions to strike as hard and as often as possible against actual live humans who are trying just as hard to hit him first? Easy choice.

What about choice three? Someone that is well-conditioned in iron palm and is deadly to inanimate objects AND trains hard, lives without illusions and strikes against actual live humans too?

[jubaji]

I thought it through completely and I stand by it. Someone who may have well-conditioned hands and be a deadly foe to inanimate objects or someone who trains hard, live, and without illusions to strike as hard and as often as possible against actual live humans who are trying just as hard to hit him first? Easy choice.

What about choice three? Someone that is well-conditioned in iron palm and is deadly to inanimate objects AND trains hard, lives without illusions and strikes against actual live humans too?

If that person trains like a boxer, then I'd be happy to stay out of his way too!

[BoarSpear]

BTTT

Hmmm whats this? READ the entire thread watch the trolling...wonder why I'm not bothering with this subject again? Because the same trolls are still dogging me...Notice NONE of the things shot back at me did I ever say. Things havent changed, it's still the same trolls ruining your board.

[Garland]

BTTT
Hmmm whats this? READ the entire thread watch the trolling...wonder why I'm not bothering with this subject again? Because the same trolls are still dogging me...Notice NONE of the things shot back at me did I ever say. Things havent changed, it's still the same trolls ruining your board.

Wow wow wow. Boar, buddy...I thought WE put this shit behind us. We had an obvious miscommunication way back then, and we're cool now, right?

Still, it's kinda funny looking at these old posts...whew. In retrospect, we were basicly saying the same shit and just couldn't see eye to eye. I was certainly being defensive.