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wing chun sucks...and i use to be an adept...most of what you do is parry blows in an unatural akward manner.
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Google the world wing chun kung fu association. Look up julian sawyer and johnny clayton...........................You will see two bad arses that you (thai bri) would not want to F&^%%$ with.Comment
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Too Funny, I understand what you are saying. LOL. I only trained in wing chun as a cross training project and I do the sil lum tao form for fun.Originally posted by white devil View PostComment
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So what? I bet there are Croquet experts who can kick butt.Originally posted by Hardball View Post
Doesn't mean that Croquet is a good fighting art though, now does it?Comment
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come on!
man why so much admiration for chinese ''pretty looking'' martial arts? This is the result of generations of kung fu nonsense movies and acrobatic scenes.They really don't work man ..period,and if you can't figure it out on your own then you need to just get your ass kicked.
From chinese martial artist point of view they all go : our techniques are so deadly we can put you down with one-two-three strikes and bang youre dead.But that ain't how you judge a system is it? without knowing wing chun i know that if you give me the pre-emptive strike i will go for your balls or your throat..even if im a boxer first ..and no matter how much you weigh..Now lets just put a cma adept in a ring with a boxer for 3 mins and we'll see what's what and who's who.
funny story,i stopped by a martial arts store(that specializes itself in chinese arts..white crane primarly.)And the guy working there was about my age..and he studied white crane kung fu for 5 years now...
we started talking and he asked me -how's your training going?I was like yeah you know alot of conditioning theses days and basicaly only working the mitts and some sparring (as the technique part)...so i asked him - how about you man? you run alot?
Beleive it or not he was so confident his style was actually worth something he started telling me how conditioning is only complementary and how he only needed to practice his forms to be a good-prepared-fighter.So I started reasoning him yknow..i sat him down..had a rational talk with him and came up with the first example that crossed my mind..
i asked him..what are you gonna do if you have to fight someone twice as big..who runs to grapple you and bring you to the ground..or just keeps you in a bearhug?
yknow what he answered? (this comes from a 5years old kung fu adept.not in bad shape who looks at least partially educated) he said calmly:-he's never gonna get that close to me before i put him down with one of my techniques so why bother running hundred miles and pumping all thoses weights!!!
can you beleive that kid?this is representative of traditional martial arts!You get brainwashed by actually making yourself beleive that there are shortcuts and secret techniques to invulnerability!seriously,join a gym!Comment
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My point is that Wing Chun (and any other art for that matter) is better than no training at all. That's my position and it has always been my position. Wing chun or krav magra is better than no training at all. Honestly man, I only use it for cross training. It's {wc} overly complicated. I posted this thread to get some insite on the forms. The forms are fun, especially at places like the ocean, the mountains or the forrest.Comment
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well you see that is untrue!training in such arts might give you a position of overconfidence that might get you to get your ass kicked if not worse! and to be honest id rather fight someone who does tkd or wing chun because i would know what to expect...rather than fight the unkownMy point is that Wing Chun (and any other art for that matter) is better than no training at all. That's my position and it has always been my position. Wing chun or krav magra is better than no training at all.Comment
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Thai Bri
I appreciate the comment about making sense....
Just a quick qualifier on what I said about WC forms: "too much emphasis is put on forms because of tradition"
Here's what I mean: If you spend half your class period perfecting forms and not applying techs from those forms, you're wasting your time.
I believe that as a teacher you have to emphasise application. As a fighter, application has to be taught and trained under competent supervision. When you're life depends on your training you better have spent more time applying techniques than working on the form from which they came.Comment
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white devil
I agree with your philosophy on training.
Many WC schools don't spar. Out of those who do you find Gor Sao (freestyle Chi Sao) interpreted as sparring, or they are locked into a very rigid, linear style sparing that emphasises trapping techs that usually end up in some sort of Gor Sao anyway.
The school I trained in uses all the traditional methods of training the basics, but the Sifu insists that when sparing the techs should be taken from the classroom onto the sparring floor where they must come alive, be free flowing, and non linear.Comment
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The school I trained in uses all the traditional methods of training the basics, but the Sifu insists that when sparing the techs should be taken from the classroom onto the sparring floor where they must come alive, be free flowing, and non linear.
Hey? is there such a thing as modern non-traditional wing chun?Comment
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Your position is wrong.Originally posted by Hardball View Post
People have a natural ability to fight. De training that, and replacing it with something inefficient, means that some training clearly is NOT better than no training.
Imagine there was a style of running that involved running on your hands instead of your feet? Train someone in this for 5 years, then watch what happens if a lion chases them. Who's going to escape? The guy running on his feet, or our handstand idiot?
Only effective training is better than no training.Comment
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People have the natural ability to get F%^$#ked up in a fight. Give me a yellow belt in any of the worlds fighting systems versus no training at all.Originally posted by Thai Bri View PostComment
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Maybe a yellow belt in Bjj, if there is such a thing. A yellow belt within any other style would prolly get their azz stumped!! You have to understand what Bri is saying, I don't always agree with him, but I do give credit where credit is do.Originally posted by whitebelt View Post
Most people get by on natural ability, when they start training arts that take them away from that natural ability instead of adding to it, nothing good can come from that. Then ad to the fact that the average yellow belt doesn't train for the type of fight he'll face in the streets.
Not saying that Bjj trains for the street, but atleast it's hands on actual training of their techniques.
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congratulations you both,you have sucessfully repeated what i wrote!Comment
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