Wing Chun power

[TheJong]

SO tell me what you think of wing chun as a system for self defense. What all have you studied?

[DickHardman]

SO tell me what you think of wing chun as a system for self defense. What all have you studied?

i have done boxing and mt so i am biased. however, it appears to me that wing chun doesnt allow the practitioner to generate decent amounts of power in the strikes. boxing and muay thai for example utilize the hip and body power to its fullest, thus generating large amounts of energy in their strikes. knockout power is important for self defense inmop. if you dont hit hard enough, your opponenet will walk right through you.

also wing chun seems to have overcomplicated defending, since i come from the boxing/muay thai backround. strikes that can be easily deflected and countered by simple parries, slips, and counter attacks are requiring way too many moves to deal with inmop.

[TheJong]

I have studies Muay Thai also and I don't find Wing Chun that difficult. As far as self defense, the person in that fight should be looking for an escape than a knockout. I don't know about you, but here, most of the time it's 3 or more against one and they use guns.

[DickHardman]

power isnt the answer to everything, but when you have it, it can make a huge difference. my boxing/mt instructor trained in boxing for over 20 years, his punches generate tremendous power. he almost never uses real punches when we spar him, because if he hit us for real we would get injured or ko real fast. one time he hit me with a real punch, it was a light jab, he almost broke my nose and sent me to the canvas. he wasnt even trying. powerful strikes produce immediate results. you see these backyard brawl videos were untrained people sometimes pound eachothers faces for days, neither guy being stopped by the others strikes. this is no good. you want immediate results, especially in a sd situation.

boxing/mt teaches a person how to use his entire body to generate power in strikes and train this all day long. this is also a fundamental concept in other martial arts, and is found in other arts as well like karate for example. wing chun seems to lack this concept.

btw, i dont know much about wing chun except for what ive seen in video clips.

[tjwingchun]

Yep. I've no problem with them training their wrist action.

Brian they let you back in

You should see the size of my forearms after 30 years of W-ing and then Siu Lim Tao on top

I am not in the "chain punching" promotion school of thought, its a useful training tool and can be difficult to deal with at a beginner's level but easy to diffuse when you have any fighting experience, the power of my Wing Chun punch comes from my understanding of the whole body generation of energy, just as with any decent school that teaches striking and not dancing.

[kiddbjj]

interesting clip

hey all

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV4Jq6H9pEQ

found this clip on youtube. supposedly a kick boxer vs wt guy. its clear that if he's a kickboxer he's fairly green but there are some interesting things in there that the wt guy does. check out the leg check at about 1 min 40.

opinions

[bbbb]

Watched video , almost split sides laughing so much.

What is worrying is these people think they are deadly and training very realistically. Put them in with good boxer he will take their head of with straight blast stuff. The big guy is hilarious, and he really is deadly he sits on you , you're finished.

The dramatic music as if you are seeing something amazing is very funny too.

Who beats a boxer?

Most boxers look funny and can easily be kept away from. The heart is reflected in the face, don't you know?

[BoarSpear]

i have done boxing and mt so i am biased. however, it appears to me that wing chun doesnt allow the practitioner to generate decent amounts of power in the strikes. boxing and muay thai for example utilize the hip and body power to its fullest, thus generating large amounts of energy in their strikes. knockout power is important for self defense inmop. if you dont hit hard enough, your opponenet will walk right through you.

also wing chun seems to have overcomplicated defending, since i come from the boxing/muay thai backround. strikes that can be easily deflected and countered by simple parries, slips, and counter attacks are requiring way too many moves to deal with inmop.

So you've never actually had a class on WT...you just can tell it sucks by looking at it with your MT experience...

[jubaji]

Who beats a boxer?

Most boxers look funny and can easily be kept away from. The heart is reflected in the face, don't you know?

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[Thai Bri]

bbbb must stand for bleedin' brainless bimboid bastage

Just a thought.

[Red Rum]

I have trained wing chun for a while now and have found it the best art for self defense. I agree that if a boxer gets into his rythm he will be tough to take down, but what if he is grappled? Most boxers get into a clinch and wait for a referee to break it up...

Boxers also find it hard to hit from cold (ie they are more dangerous when they are warmed up).
Or in a place surrounded by people.

No art is perfect, and there are flaws to every system. A wing chun fighter would find it hard to get in a ring and use only wing chun.

Similarly a boxer would find it hard to fight in a crowded club (if he swung a punch, he would probably accidentally hit five people in the process!)

In Kamon Martial Arts we train boxing and we have boxers who have fought at professional level. But it is recognised that if you want to fight at street level, boxing will only get you part of the way there.

Video clips never demonstrate the full speed and power of the art
This is a clip that we put together a while ago.

https://www.kamonwingchun.com/gallery/YOU_TUBE_MONTAGE.wmv

It is a basic video showing how Kamon works. I am one of the assailants. We started off going slow and it didn't look real. It then got to the point where I swung in a punch full power and we were dropped hard.

I appreciate that I only punched once, but to be honest Kevin Chan was hitting so hard I didn't have time to think of striking again!!

It's also filmed as a demo video, so it's not as messy as a real confrontation

I have trained in other arts including boxing, BJJ, Muay Thai and they are all good, but I feel that wing chun is the one that I'd pick for a streetfight

[jubaji]

I have trained wing chun for a while now and have found it the best art for self defense. I agree that if a boxer gets into his rythm he will be tough to take down, but what if he is grappled? Most boxers get into a clinch and wait for a referee to break it up...

.......................oh boy......

[jubaji]

too many cartoons for you

Similarly a boxer would find it hard to fight in a crowded club (if he swung a punch, he would probably accidentally hit five people in the process!)

Oh, fer cryin' out loud...

[Red Rum]

Good points....

I'm glad I signed up to this forum with valuable contributions like that.

[Sagacious Lu]

I Similarly a boxer would find it hard to fight in a crowded club (if he swung a punch, he would probably accidentally hit five people in the process!)

What you just told us here is that you have no idea how to throw a proper punch, and in fact don't even know what one looks like.